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NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2

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    Wheeler is a muppet.

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      There some real average forwards in that NZ u/20 squad.
      Bad selections or shit coaching ? and all coaching I mean the levels under the u/20s as well.

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        Why take Hotham off?

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          There some real average forwards in that NZ u/20 squad.
          Bad selections or shit coaching ? and all coaching I mean the levels under the u/20s as well.

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          @Chris Yeah, Laidlaw isn't showing us he knows how to coach 15s.

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            That's why I don't like midgets on the field.

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              If Lakai had kept that in NZ would have won a scrum penalty

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                @Chris Yeah, Laidlaw isn't showing us he knows how to coach 15s.

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                @Bovidae

                No some basic skills missing.

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                    A win for NZ wont hide the inadequacies that have been exposed tonight. That said Aussie hands have cost them about 3 possible tries by my count

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                    • ChrisC Chris

                      There some real average forwards in that NZ u/20 squad.
                      Bad selections or shit coaching ? and all coaching I mean the levels under the u/20s as well.

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                      @Chris said in NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2:

                      There some real average forwards in that NZ u/20 squad.
                      Bad selections or shit coaching ? and all coaching I mean the levels under the u/20s as well.

                      Wasn't there a discussion about this a few years ago? I think someone suggested there is a belief in NZ to work on general play in the age grades rather than developing the strength based disciplines. The theory being strength will come later.

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                        Yeah in fairness Ofa was a hopeless U20 scrummager who came right.

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                          @Chris said in NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2:

                          There some real average forwards in that NZ u/20 squad.
                          Bad selections or shit coaching ? and all coaching I mean the levels under the u/20s as well.

                          Wasn't there a discussion about this a few years ago? I think someone suggested there is a belief in NZ to work on general play in the age grades rather than developing the strength based disciplines. The theory being strength will come later.

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                          Yeah there was,It is showing out now as maybe not a sound idea.

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                            @Crazy-Horse

                            Yeah there was,It is showing out now as maybe not a sound idea.

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                            @Chris said in NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2:

                            @Crazy-Horse

                            Yeah there was,It is showing out now as maybe not a sound idea.

                            Not if you want to win age grade.

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                              Beaten on everything but the scoreboard and tackle count.

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                                World Championship could be embarrassing
                                That Forward pack will not compete well.

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                                  @Chris said in NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2:

                                  @Crazy-Horse

                                  Yeah there was,It is showing out now as maybe not a sound idea.

                                  Not if you want to win age grade.

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                                  @Crazy-Horse

                                  I suppose the question is are the Aussie forwards more equipped for SR and higher compared to our forwards.

                                  So what is u/20s being used for development ? backs wise we always have that natural ability,but forwards a worry.

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                                    @Crazy-Horse

                                    I suppose the question is are the Aussie forwards more equipped for SR and higher compared to our forwards.

                                    So what is u/20s being used for development ? backs wise we always have that natural ability,but forwards a worry.

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                                    @Chris said in NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2:

                                    @Crazy-Horse

                                    I suppose the question is are the Aussie forwards more equipped for SR and higher compared to our forwards.

                                    So what is u/20s being used for development ? backs wise we always have that natural ability,but forwards a worry.

                                    I think it has to be about exposing players and teaching them the reality of playing test match rugby at the top level. Playing Australia will be a massive step up from anything those players have had before. A lot of them will be straight out of school and used to carving up their local comp.

                                    I don't think we need to win the U-20s for it to be worthwhile. Most years you only need a maximum of 4-5 ABs. I think it is fine to say that other skills can come later. Size I am not worried about, that can come in the gym. The bigger worry is if players at this level have poor decision making and fundamental skills (for instance, a hooker should be able to throw the ball in straight).

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                                      We put 50 points on them last year. How can there be such a huge difference between the two years? Perhaps Aussie didn't place as much importance on this fixture last year as there wasn't an u20s Word Cup on.

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                                        @Chris said in NZ U20 v Junior Wallabies 2:

                                        @Crazy-Horse

                                        I suppose the question is are the Aussie forwards more equipped for SR and higher compared to our forwards.

                                        So what is u/20s being used for development ? backs wise we always have that natural ability,but forwards a worry.

                                        I think it has to be about exposing players and teaching them the reality of playing test match rugby at the top level. Playing Australia will be a massive step up from anything those players have had before. A lot of them will be straight out of school and used to carving up their local comp.

                                        I don't think we need to win the U-20s for it to be worthwhile. Most years you only need a maximum of 4-5 ABs. I think it is fine to say that other skills can come later. Size I am not worried about, that can come in the gym. The bigger worry is if players at this level have poor decision making and fundamental skills (for instance, a hooker should be able to throw the ball in straight).

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                                        @hydro11

                                        It was the basic skills I saw lacking
                                        Terrible

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                                          I'd like to know out of the three NZ U20 coaches who is in charge of the forwards. Are they using Cron/Ryan to assist for the scrums?

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