SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies
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@nostrildamus said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@friedrugby said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
I think Finau probably fits into the category of good Super player, but not quite test level... Luke Jacobson is the man for the ABs IMO.
Why not both?
Jacobson//ABS, as a 6/8 or 8/6 is he competing with Akira or is Akira competing for a spot with Sotutu? (Who IMO is a better or more experienced 8 but only an 8).
Sotutu seems to have gone off the boil a bit (or at least comparably with his earlier season work). Akira playing well but, he has already shown that he's not the answer in the AB 6 jersey. Maybe he'll do a Kaino like change and set better platforms instead of looking for quarter gaps when carrying. I want a 6 that complements Sami T so we get double punch ups and go forward ball.
@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@nostrildamus said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Crucial said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@friedrugby said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
I think Finau probably fits into the category of good Super player, but not quite test level... Luke Jacobson is the man for the ABs IMO.
Why not both?
Jacobson//ABS, as a 6/8 or 8/6 is he competing with Akira or is Akira competing for a spot with Sotutu? (Who IMO is a better or more experienced 8 but only an 8).
Sotutu seems to have gone off the boil a bit (or at least comparably with his earlier season work). Akira playing well but, he has already shown that he's not the answer in the AB 6 jersey. Maybe he'll do a Kaino like change and set better platforms instead of looking for quarter gaps when carrying. I want a 6 that complements Sami T so we get double punch ups and go forward ball.
Such a poor take on both players, you have to ignore the last 5 or 6 games to get to that opinion. And of course the solution is untried Chiefs players, or failed Chiefs players like Jacobson.
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Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
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Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
Ineffective then?
Frizzel is a low bar to meet anyway.
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Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
I really rate him - can see him having a solid future, and a real contender for higher honours. Injury didn't help him in 2019 or more recently
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@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
Ineffective then?
Frizzel is a low bar to meet anyway.
@Kirwan said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
@Chester-Draws said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
Rough to call Jacobson a "failed" AB. He's not a highlight player, but also not an error prone one.
He's not been selected by a coach who is a poor selector, particularly of loose forwards. I would have picked him over Frizzel every time.
Ineffective then?
Frizzel is a low bar to meet anyway.
Not ineffective either. Less effective than the man you want in the position, possibly, but that's personal judgement.
He may not have been able to push out Frizzel. But then, neither has Ioane. So I don't really count that against either.
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We have a few pretty fair #8s floating around the country at the moment
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@KiwiMurph said in SF: Chiefs vs. Brumbies:
The issue with Jacobson is I think he's a better 8 than a 6.
I agree, however he is probably an 8 that is suited to 6 if that makes sense.
He isn't so much the ranging back (or out) type 8.
A tight loosie, so to speak.
His tackle counts are high and his tackles hard and effective. He carries hard and commits defenders to go to ground (and stay there for a bit) -
Aidan Ross, Samisoni Taukei'aho, George Dyer, Brodie Retallick, Tupou Vaai, Samipeni Finau, Sam Cane (co-c), Luke Jacobson, Brad Weber (co-c), Damian McKenzie, Etene Nanai-Seturo, Anton Lienert-Brown, Alex Nankivell, Emoni Narawa, Shaun Stevenson
Reserves: Tyrone Thompson, Ollie Norris, John Ryan, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Pita Gus Sowakula, Cortez Ratima, Josh Ioane, Rameka Poihipi
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Media release:
https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/experienced-gallagher-chiefs-side-named-for-semi-final
Edit: Tyrone Thompson listed in the no.16 jersey.
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https://brumbies.rugby/news/pathways-trio-to-bring-up-50-caps-in-semi-final-2023615
James Slipper, Lachlan Lonergan, Sefo Kautai, Nick Frost, Cadeyrn Neville, Tom Hooper, Pete Samu, Rob Valetini, Nic White (c), Jack Debreczeni, Ollie Sapsford, Tamati Tua, Len Ikitau, Andy Muirhead, Tom Wright
Reserves: Connal McInerney, Blake Schoupp, Rhys Van Nek, Darcy Swain, Luke Reimer, Ryan Lonergan, Noah Lolesio, Corey Toole
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Media release:
https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/experienced-gallagher-chiefs-side-named-for-semi-final
Edit: Tyrone Thompson listed in the no.16 jersey.
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Went back in the Chiefs 23 thread and found this
@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2023:
This is the team I expect:
1 Ross
2 Taukei'aho
3Ta'avao
4 Retallick
5 Vaa’i
6Ah Kuoi
7 Cane
8 Jacobson
9 Weber
10Gatland(McKenzie)
11 Nanai-Seturo/Malimali
12 Nankivell/Poihipi
13 Lienert-Brown
14Stevenson(Narawa)
15McKenzie(Stevenson)16 Thompson
17 Norris
18Moli/Dyer
19Selby-Rickit
20 Sowakula
21Roe
22 Poihipi/Nankivell
23Narawa (Gatland/Ioane)Pretty close
No AT so at the time Ryan wasn't in the frame.
Finau hadn't leaped ahead
Roe may have kept Ratima at bay if not injured.So in that respect we've got the team we wanted. No glaring omissions or bad picks
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My guesses in the backs were based on where DMac played. I favoured the players in brackets, but wasn't sure the coaches would agree with me.
Blindside is the most interesting as McMillan talked up using Ah Kuoi in the media but never followed through on it.
