Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confusedI'm completely with you @Steven-Harris!
Apart from dicking with the brittle sensitivities of the Jesters fans, there is a very serious point, which you're on to.
Recall that if that game had been played before video technology both non-tries would have been awarded, the Jesters fans would have been bitching that the second Narawa try was bogus, to which the gloating Chiefs fans would fairly have countered that the benefit was negated by the Mo'unga 'try'.
The introduction of technology was supposed to improve rugby and avoid heinous mistakes leading to incorrect results.
The final illustrates, as you have observed, that the protocols are flawed.
On the Narawa non-try the protocols allowed TMO to review back to the DMac take inside the 15: tick.
On the Mo'unga non-try the protocols quite obviously shouldn't allow the TMO to go back before the Jesters lineout. Tick (so far). Of course, Angus Gardner should have flagged it real time, but he pulled a 'Kaplan' somehow.
BUT, if the TMO is remotely competent (questionable) he ought to have noticed the forward pass real time. To the extent the protocols don't currently allow the TMO before the next break in play to point out glaring errors they ought to. Cross.If TMO, so empowered, had indicated to BOK twenty seconds later that he'd missed a glaring forward pass I have no doubt BOK would have called play back and awarded minor premiers scrum on half way.
The RWC2024 organisers have already added a second TMO (located off site in Paris) to improve the poor quality of recent TMO decision making.
The onus needs to be on NZRU, SANZAR and World Rugby to sort the technology protocols out to avoid repeats of Saturday's debacle. It's ironical that had Cane had a captain's review he'd have been able to have the forward pass checked!
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@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confusedI'm completely with you @Steven-Harris!
Apart from dicking with the brittle sensitivities of the Jesters fans, there is a very serious point, which you're on to.
Recall that if that game had been played before video technology both non-tries would have been awarded, the Jesters fans would have been bitching that the second Narawa try was bogus, to which the gloating Chiefs fans would fairly have countered that the benefit was negated by the Mo'unga 'try'.
The introduction of technology was supposed to improve rugby and avoid heinous mistakes leading to incorrect results.
The final illustrates, as you have observed, that the protocols are flawed.
On the Narawa non-try the protocols allowed TMO to review back to the DMac take inside the 15: tick.
On the Mo'unga non-try the protocols quite obviously shouldn't allow the TMO to go back before the Jesters lineout. Tick (so far). Of course, Angus Gardner should have flagged it real time, but he pulled a 'Kaplan' somehow.
BUT, if the TMO is remotely competent (questionable) he ought to have noticed the forward pass real time. To the extent the protocols don't currently allow the TMO before the next break in play to point out glaring errors they ought to. Cross.If TMO, so empowered, had indicated to BOK twenty seconds later that he'd missed a glaring forward pass I have no doubt BOK would have called play back and awarded minor premiers scrum on half way.
The RWC2024 organisers have already added a second TMO (located off site in Paris) to improve the poor quality of recent TMO decision making.
The onus needs to be on NZRU, SANZAR and World Rugby to sort the technology protocols out to avoid repeats of Saturday's debacle. It's ironical that had Cane had a captain's review he'd have been able to have the forward pass checked!
@pakman who won the minor premiership in 2022. No one cares. The chiefs lost the game. No one cares anymore about anything else. Get over it.
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@Frank his team lost in the semifinal to the crusaders and last year lost the final when they were minor premiers.
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@Steven-Harris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Nepia i really dont think World Rugby does any favours for the officials
Limited powers to the TMO on forward passes is massive one for me , i have no doubt despite the on field officials all missing the forward pass thrown by Jack Goodhue , Brendon Pickerall the TMO along with everyone who was watching the game saw that it was forward , the irony is had the Crusaders scored off that play it would have been bought back for a forward pass .
How crazy is that ..?, for me you your leaving your officials in quite the pickle .D Mac being pulled up for being in the 10 was an interesting one as well , imagine if the ball was dropped in the act of scoring , its probably unlikely the referee and the TMO go back to look at D Macs infraction .
I get the clarity in and around the non awarding of the try , but you do wonder if it had been picked up if there was no try
No wonder many are confusedI'm completely with you @Steven-Harris!
Apart from dicking with the brittle sensitivities of the Jesters fans, there is a very serious point, which you're on to.
Recall that if that game had been played before video technology both non-tries would have been awarded, the Jesters fans would have been bitching that the second Narawa try was bogus, to which the gloating Chiefs fans would fairly have countered that the benefit was negated by the Mo'unga 'try'.
The introduction of technology was supposed to improve rugby and avoid heinous mistakes leading to incorrect results.
The final illustrates, as you have observed, that the protocols are flawed.
On the Narawa non-try the protocols allowed TMO to review back to the DMac take inside the 15: tick.
On the Mo'unga non-try the protocols quite obviously shouldn't allow the TMO to go back before the Jesters lineout. Tick (so far). Of course, Angus Gardner should have flagged it real time, but he pulled a 'Kaplan' somehow.
BUT, if the TMO is remotely competent (questionable) he ought to have noticed the forward pass real time. To the extent the protocols don't currently allow the TMO before the next break in play to point out glaring errors they ought to. Cross.If TMO, so empowered, had indicated to BOK twenty seconds later that he'd missed a glaring forward pass I have no doubt BOK would have called play back and awarded minor premiers scrum on half way.
The RWC2024 organisers have already added a second TMO (located off site in Paris) to improve the poor quality of recent TMO decision making.
The onus needs to be on NZRU, SANZAR and World Rugby to sort the technology protocols out to avoid repeats of Saturday's debacle. It's ironical that had Cane had a captain's review he'd have been able to have the forward pass checked!
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Hahaha Crusaders won it, I love these posts it relives the victory all over again I came keep reliving the Victory weeks after the final.
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Hahaha Crusaders won it, I love these posts it relives the victory all over again I came keep reliving the Victory weeks after the final.
True, enjoy these sweet sweet salty tears. Because it is very obvious some that proclaim neutrality because they support one of the other 3, hate the crusaders. Which is fine, but don't claim neutrality - is a bit like I support NZ, or anyone playing Oz. One forward pass, leading to a line out, is not a game winning moment. There were dodgy calls both ways, and the bloody crusaders did their (under razor) thing and just fucking well won. Best team on the pitch and thoroughly deserved win. At the time for your best performance, saders brought it
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Hey @pakman, have you noticed that no-one else has supported you with your curious little attempt at a new nickname for the Crusaders?
Do you think maybe because there's nothing really very clever, funny or in/appropriate about it?
Unlike maybe calling the Chiefs and the fans "The Ferals" from now on.
The Ferals.
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Hahaha Crusaders won it, I love these posts it relives the victory all over again I came keep reliving the Victory weeks after the final.
True, enjoy these sweet sweet salty tears. Because it is very obvious some that proclaim neutrality because they support one of the other 3, hate the crusaders. Which is fine, but don't claim neutrality - is a bit like I support NZ, or anyone playing Oz. One forward pass, leading to a line out, is not a game winning moment. There were dodgy calls both ways, and the bloody crusaders did their (under razor) thing and just fucking well won. Best team on the pitch and thoroughly deserved win. At the time for your best performance, saders brought it
100% I enjoy it for the exact reasons you have mentioned.
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@KiwiMurph said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman what about the TMO's decision to not red ALB? You've left that out.
That’s not protocols. Incompetent TMO. Which is why there are two at RWC.
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Hey @pakman, have you noticed that no-one else has supported you with your curious little attempt at a new nickname for the Crusaders?
Do you think maybe because there's nothing really very clever, funny or in/appropriate about it?
Unlike maybe calling the Chiefs and the fans "The Ferals" from now on.
The Ferals.
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Hey @pakman, have you noticed that no-one else has supported you with your curious little attempt at a new nickname for the Crusaders?
Do you think maybe because there's nothing really very clever, funny or in/appropriate about it?
Unlike maybe calling the Chiefs and the fans "The Ferals" from now on.
The Ferals.
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@Frank his team lost in the semifinal to the crusaders and last year lost the final when they were minor premiers.
@chchfanatic said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Frank his team lost in the semifinal to the crusaders and last year lost the final when they were minor premiers.
And were well beaten. No complaints. Plenty of disappointment.
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where did the "jesters" thing come from...i seemed to have missed when that became a thing
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where did the "jesters" thing come from...i seemed to have missed when that became a thing
@Kiwiwomble said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
where did the "jesters" thing come from...i seemed to have missed when that became a thing
It's pakman trolling because he is so butt-hurt.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
where did the "jesters" thing come from...i seemed to have missed when that became a thing
It's pakman trolling because he is so butt-hurt.
@Frank ok, i was getting that impression....but whats the joke?....are jesters famously bad at rugby?
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@Frank ok, i was getting that impression....but whats the joke?....are jesters famously bad at rugby?
@Kiwiwomble said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Frank ok, i was getting that impression....but whats the joke?....are jesters famously bad at rugby?
Better than ferals.
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@Frank ok, i was getting that impression....but whats the joke?....are jesters famously bad at rugby?
@Kiwiwomble said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Frank ok, i was getting that impression....but whats the joke?....are jesters famously bad at rugby?
some medieval association with Crusaders, perhaps?
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Perhaps pakman was making some loose association with the final being a joke (not my words) but really the Crusaders play if anything a little too seriously, the jester tag seems weird attached to them.
