RWC Week 1: England v Argentina
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@Mackerzzzz said in RWC: England v Argentina:
Complete bullshit what was he supposed to do?
This is just another example of needing the traffic light system. England should be able to replace after 20.
@chimoaus Or, alternatively, learn how to tackle.
One of the arguments in favour of the 20 minute replacement is that an early red penalises the team for the mistake of one player.
But in the case of England, it's clearly a systematic, recurring, collective problem.
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Somebody needs to check these referees assets... Because it looks like Beaumont definitely organised one of those confiscated Russian oligarchs motor yachts in the south of France for last night‘s performance...
Seriously though…Makes a complete mockery of the rulebook. One thing being reffed for one team at the breakdown and the complete opposite for the other team. Really feel for argies. Disgusting … -
YC for a complete accident. Even my daughter said so.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: England v Argentina:
YC for a complete accident. Even my daughter said so.
I hope you explained to her that it doesn't need to be deliberate to deserve a red
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@NTA That's generally how games are won...
@Catogrande Please tell certain sections of the NZ media that.
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I'm surprised by the red card reaction. It's clearly head on head so potentially really harmful, and on a guy who is landing from catching a kick - it's not like he's changing direction unexpectedly at the last minute. you have time to go lower and no reason not to.
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I'm surprised by the red card reaction. It's clearly head on head so potentially really harmful, and on a guy who is landing from catching a kick - it's not like he's changing direction unexpectedly at the last minute. you have time to go lower and no reason not to.
@reprobate said in RWC: England v Argentina:
I'm surprised by the red card reaction. It's clearly head on head so potentially really harmful, and on a guy who is landing from catching a kick - it's not like he's changing direction unexpectedly at the last minute. you have time to go lower and no reason not to.
I keep going back and forth on the Curry RC. At first I felt it was just a rugby incident and not even a penalty. Why? Well in real time I felt that he'd made the wrap, he had lowered his body height to a degree and had not tried to make a dominant tackle - ie no real momentum coming from Curry. In slo-mo I changed my view slightly in that he could have/should have either gone lower or waited a fraction of a second and then the timing would have been so much better. However I still go back to the lack of force and momentum from Curry and overall, while not entirely surprised at the RC given current protocols, that a YC would have been the correct decision. The Carreras YC looked a lot worse but I felt was dealt with correctly.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Curry next. Will he get a ban or will it be like Steward's RC where it was felt the card itself was punishment enough - effectively saying the decision was wrong.
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@NTA That's generally how games are won...
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@NTA That's generally how games are won...
In terms of "tries are nice, but like Owen Farrell, you don't really need them"
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@Luigi said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@Steve said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@African-Monkey said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@Steve No one was red carded there, they were just down to 13 men for a period of time.
Fair cop....Im mixing that game up with Simon Shaw getting red in 2004.
Lions?
No against NZ. Dropped the knees into Keith Robinson.
Umagas reaction to the red was priceless.
Didn’t England lose that game heavily?
So not only did you get the wrong year, wrong game where no one was red carded, the performance was a towelling, not a heroic victory!
Top ferning!
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@reprobate said in RWC: England v Argentina:
I'm surprised by the red card reaction. It's clearly head on head so potentially really harmful, and on a guy who is landing from catching a kick - it's not like he's changing direction unexpectedly at the last minute. you have time to go lower and no reason not to.
I keep going back and forth on the Curry RC. At first I felt it was just a rugby incident and not even a penalty. Why? Well in real time I felt that he'd made the wrap, he had lowered his body height to a degree and had not tried to make a dominant tackle - ie no real momentum coming from Curry. In slo-mo I changed my view slightly in that he could have/should have either gone lower or waited a fraction of a second and then the timing would have been so much better. However I still go back to the lack of force and momentum from Curry and overall, while not entirely surprised at the RC given current protocols, that a YC would have been the correct decision. The Carreras YC looked a lot worse but I felt was dealt with correctly.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Curry next. Will he get a ban or will it be like Steward's RC where it was felt the card itself was punishment enough - effectively saying the decision was wrong.
@Catogrande yeah it's pretty clear - why was he going in so high? If he wants to smoke the catcher, get low and blast through at waist height. If that's not his intention, then he needs to stop and assess what happens once the player lands. This is exactly the incident type that needs to be removed from the game and it's so easily resolved, players shouldn't be let off for something so easy to get right.
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@Catogrande yeah it's pretty clear - why was he going in so high? If he wants to smoke the catcher, get low and blast through at waist height. If that's not his intention, then he needs to stop and assess what happens once the player lands. This is exactly the incident type that needs to be removed from the game and it's so easily resolved, players shouldn't be let off for something so easy to get right.
I’m mostly in agreement with you, certainly about the avoidability of it all. However I just don’t think it was that bad. The interesting thing now, as I said, Will be what the fallout will be. It seems to be a bit random. Barrett leads with his shoulder, with force, to clear a ruck and no further sanction. Not sure what happened to Fagerson for the same offence, etc.
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I’m mostly in agreement with you, certainly about the avoidability of it all. However I just don’t think it was that bad. The interesting thing now, as I said, Will be what the fallout will be. It seems to be a bit random. Barrett leads with his shoulder, with force, to clear a ruck and no further sanction. Not sure what happened to Fagerson for the same offence, etc.
@Catogrande I thought it was pretty bad. Not the worst, he wasn't flying in at 100mph, and it wasn't a cheap shot. But it was still a pretty impactful collision, direct head to head, and 100% Curry's fault. We've all seen a lot worse, but it's still the kind of tackle that could put Mallia out for a week or 3 with concussion (not to mention Curry himself).
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How delicious would it be after that performance for England to lose to both Japan and Samoa?
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina:
How delicious would it be after that performance for England to lose to both Japan and Samoa?
You’re so beautifully bloody Welsh.
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I’m mostly in agreement with you, certainly about the avoidability of it all. However I just don’t think it was that bad. The interesting thing now, as I said, Will be what the fallout will be. It seems to be a bit random. Barrett leads with his shoulder, with force, to clear a ruck and no further sanction. Not sure what happened to Fagerson for the same offence, etc.
@Catogrande well if a head on head contact with force (enough to cause decent damage), that's 100% the tackler's fault and easily avoidable isn't "that bad" , then what is?
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: England v Argentina:
YC for a complete accident. Even my daughter said so.
I hope you explained to her that it doesn't need to be deliberate to deserve a red
@GibbonRib said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: England v Argentina:
YC for a complete accident. Even my daughter said so.
I hope you explained to her that it doesn't need to be deliberate to deserve a red
The ball receiver has all the rights, it's not that difficult
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina:
How delicious would it be after that performance for England to lose to both Japan and Samoa?
You’re so beautifully bloody Welsh.
@Smuts said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina:
How delicious would it be after that performance for England to lose to both Japan and Samoa?
You’re so beautifully bloody Welsh.
Sad since '53, it's understandable
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Not a single person thinking that Raynal had a shocker? I find that very odd especially as a neutral... I honestly thought his performance was dire. Not saying Argentina deserve to win. Too many upcoming games to rewatch the match... But if you do you bother to, just watch all those breakdown penalties... It’s a fukkin lottery out there...
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Not a single person thinking that Raynal had a shocker? I find that very odd especially as a neutral... I honestly thought his performance was dire. Not saying Argentina deserve to win. Too many upcoming games to rewatch the match... But if you do you bother to, just watch all those breakdown penalties... It’s a fukkin lottery out there...
@mantissanet said in RWC: England v Argentina:
Not a single person thinking that Raynal had a shocker? I find that very odd especially as a neutral... I honestly thought his performance was dire. Not saying Argentina deserve to win. Too many upcoming games to rewatch the match... But if you do you bother to, just watch all those breakdown penalties... It’s a fukkin lottery out there...
For both sides
Raynal was no better or worse than he normally is and no decision was big enough to ‘rob’ the other team of a win
Argentina deservedly lost the match and it was a brilliant effort from a 14 man England
If Borthwick picks the right team for each match there’s no reason England can’t get to a SF
And as 2019 showed anything can happen then
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Not a single person thinking that Raynal had a shocker? I find that very odd especially as a neutral... I honestly thought his performance was dire. Not saying Argentina deserve to win. Too many upcoming games to rewatch the match... But if you do you bother to, just watch all those breakdown penalties... It’s a fukkin lottery out there...
@mantissanet said in RWC: England v Argentina:
Not a single person thinking that Raynal had a shocker? I find that very odd especially as a neutral... I honestly thought his performance was dire. Not saying Argentina deserve to win. Too many upcoming games to rewatch the match... But if you do you bother to, just watch all those breakdown penalties... It’s a fukkin lottery out there...
No different to any other rugby match.
Whole game is a lottery, which is why many people are switching it off.
Score line reflected the match.
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@Smuts said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina:
How delicious would it be after that performance for England to lose to both Japan and Samoa?
You’re so beautifully bloody Welsh.
Sad since '53, it's understandable
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@Smuts said in RWC: England v Argentina:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v Argentina:
How delicious would it be after that performance for England to lose to both Japan and Samoa?
You’re so beautifully bloody Welsh.
Sad since '53, it's understandable
Especially if you’ve been there
