RWC SF: England v Springboks
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My old man went on a Welsh Male Voice Choir tour of SA during the apartheid years
He saw a Cavaliers match
The choir sang to white only audiences, black only audiences, and mixed audiences
Each member of the choir was put on the UN Blacklist (ironic isn't it) for performing at the non-segregated concerts
Go figure
They fostered a relationship with a choir from Soweto whom they funded over the years
When apartheid ceased the choir went back over and sang with the Soweto choir at a joint concert in Soweto
And two years later they paid for the Soweto choir to come over to Wales on a singing tour
They've both been back twice since
My father's choir (Cwmbach) also went to Belfast during the height of the troubles and to Hungary as the Russians were heading in
His, and the other choristers, attitude was go to bring people together
Great post.
I seem to recall Danie Craven being called an apartheid apologist and a traitor to the white race simultaneously - while at the same time working behind the scenes to bring people together, grow non-white rugby and end segregation
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My old man went on a Welsh Male Voice Choir tour of SA during the apartheid years
He saw a Cavaliers match
The choir sang to white only audiences, black only audiences, and mixed audiences
Each member of the choir was put on the UN Blacklist (ironic isn't it) for performing at the non-segregated concerts
Go figure
They fostered a relationship with a choir from Soweto whom they funded over the years
When apartheid ceased the choir went back over and sang with the Soweto choir at a joint concert in Soweto
And two years later they paid for the Soweto choir to come over to Wales on a singing tour
They've both been back twice since
My father's choir (Cwmbach) also went to Belfast during the height of the troubles and to Hungary as the Russians were heading in
His, and the other choristers, attitude was go to bring people together
@MiketheSnow Cool post mate.
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and by the way, Rob Louw come from Wynberg Boys, Doc Craven identified him as a schoolboy and brought him to Maties to become a Springbok.
@OomPB said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
and by the way, Rob Louw come from Wynberg Boys, Doc Craven identified him as a schoolboy and brought him to Maties to become a Springbok.
My old man was also brought to Wilgenhof by Doc . But only because he was so average he’d never play for Maaties and so be free to turn out for Wilgenhof. Think Louw was already gone but Oom Morne was still at Stellenbosch playing for WO/boks and never playing for Die Plek.
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@OomPB said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
and by the way, Rob Louw come from Wynberg Boys, Doc Craven identified him as a schoolboy and brought him to Maties to become a Springbok.
My old man was also brought to Wilgenhof by Doc . But only because he was so average he’d never play for Maaties and so be free to turn out for Wilgenhof. Think Louw was already gone but Oom Morne was still at Stellenbosch playing for WO/boks and never playing for Die Plek.
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@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@OomPB said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Smuts so your dad was a Bek fluitjie.
Ref?
Nee - n ou man van Die Plek.*
No - an old boy of Wilgenhof (the Stellenbosch residence run for years by Doc Craven. Notorious for its rugby and lunacy.)
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@Catogrande Doc Craven was head of Wilgenhof , Maties (university Stellenbosch)boarding school for ages. Their nickname was "Bek fluitjies" When students walk/run past Wilgenhof they shout Bek Fluitjies and if get caught its goodbye.
with the help of my son
Harmonica? = bek fluitjie.
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@Catogrande Doc Craven was head of Wilgenhof , Maties (university Stellenbosch)boarding school for ages. Their nickname was "Bek fluitjies" When students walk/run past Wilgenhof they shout Bek Fluitjies and if get caught its goodbye.
with the help of my son
Harmonica? = bek fluitjie.
Ah! Literal translation seemed to be mouth whistle, hence me thinking ref.
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Bongi won’t be charged.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1717434162624246093
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Bongi won’t be charged.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1717434162624246093
@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Bongi won’t be charged.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1717434162624246093
I'm sad there will be no J4Bongi arm bands
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The RFU have put out a statement saying that they are “deeply disappointed with World Rugby’s decision.”
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-statement-tom-curry-october-2023
The RFU are effectively accusing World Rugby of not taking racist abuse seriously and not doing due diligence.
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The RFU have put out a statement saying that they are “deeply disappointed with World Rugby’s decision.”
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-statement-tom-curry-october-2023
The RFU are effectively accusing World Rugby of not taking racist abuse seriously and not doing due diligence.
@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
The RFU have put out a statement saying that they are “deeply disappointed with World Rugby’s decision.”
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-statement-tom-curry-october-2023
The RFU are effectively accusing World Rugby of not taking racist abuse seriously and not doing due diligence.
My first thoughts were that WR have handled the whole thing sensibly, but for the RFU to break ranks makes me wonder about due process. Clearly they feel that this has not been given a fair assessment. No idea if they are wrong or right and one assumes they have more intel on this than us punters, but some clarity from WR around the process would help clear things up.
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@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
The RFU have put out a statement saying that they are “deeply disappointed with World Rugby’s decision.”
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-statement-tom-curry-october-2023
The RFU are effectively accusing World Rugby of not taking racist abuse seriously and not doing due diligence.
My first thoughts were that WR have handled the whole thing sensibly, but for the RFU to break ranks makes me wonder about due process. Clearly they feel that this has not been given a fair assessment. No idea if they are wrong or right and one assumes they have more intel on this than us punters, but some clarity from WR around the process would help clear things up.
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Wayne Barnes and the other English officials on Saturday night are in an even tougher position now.
There’s clearly no love lost between the RFU and the SARU. The deterioration of that relationship has big implications for the game.
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No due process, repeat accusation, can only imagine the gnashing of teeth if the accusation had been the other way around. The abuse Tom Curry has received online is shameful
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No due process, repeat accusation, can only imagine the gnashing of teeth if the accusation had been the other way around. The abuse Tom Curry has received online is shameful
@Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
No due process, repeat accusation, can only imagine the gnashing of teeth if the accusation had been the other way around. The abuse Tom Curry has received online is shameful
I have tried to stay away from this topic.
But Tom Curry receiving online abuse is shameful and cannot be condoned under any circumstances.Equally, the RFU doubling down on the claim of racist behaviour from Bongi when a WR investigation over 5 days and many independent pundit evaluations point to Curry most likely misinterpreting Afrikaans is absolutely shameful too. In my view that RFU statement is disgraceful for that part.
For context, South Africans are extremely sensitive to racist behaviour which carries all sorts of penalties.
Equally, a false claim of racist behaviour against someone can also land you with jail time in SA.
