All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew so if he tried new combinations and they lose, you’re ok with that?
Provided there's progress and it's a calculated risk, then yes.
Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
Yeah in the context of this season, what's another loss of we're actually building depth and/or finding out if guys are worth it? Chances are though it'll be wholesale changes so they can confirm to themselves they've been making the right decisions all along when it doesn't work.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew so if he tried new combinations and they lose, you’re ok with that?
Provided there's progress and it's a calculated risk, then yes.
Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
Yeah in the context of this season, what's another loss of we're actually building depth and/or finding out if guys are worth it? Chances are though it'll be wholesale changes so they can confirm to themselves they've been making the right decisions all along when it doesn't work.
While there are players who are going well and things like the scrums go well for 3-4 games and then drop off. There's no consistency almost across the park so there isn't a stable platform to work from.
It's a bloody mess so nothing to be lost from throwing a few curve balls.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew so if he tried new combinations and they lose, you’re ok with that?
Provided there's progress and it's a calculated risk, then yes.
Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
Yeah in the context of this season, what's another loss of we're actually building depth and/or finding out if guys are worth it? Chances are though it'll be wholesale changes so they can confirm to themselves they've been making the right decisions all along when it doesn't work.
While there are players who are going well and things like the scrums go well for 3-4 games and then drop off. There's no consistency almost across the park so there isn't a stable platform to work from.
It's a bloody mess so nothing to be lost from throwing a few curve balls.
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@Victor-Meldrew nah man. So chuck in Plummer with Hotham at halfback and Jacobson at 8, Havili at 12? Doesn't sound like a fair chance to me.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew nah man. So chuck in Plummer with Hotham at halfback and Jacobson at 8, Havili at 12? Doesn't sound like a fair chance to me.
Oh, I'm not saying go that far. More like start Proctor to see how he goes with JB, give Hotham and Plummer some game time and maybe LJ at 7 (he was pretty good there in SR)
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew nah man. So chuck in Plummer with Hotham at halfback and Jacobson at 8, Havili at 12? Doesn't sound like a fair chance to me.
Oh, I'm not saying go that far. More like start Proctor to see how he goes with JB, give Hotham and Plummer some game time and maybe LJ at 7 (he was pretty good there in SR)
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew nah man. So chuck in Plummer with Hotham at halfback and Jacobson at 8, Havili at 12? Doesn't sound like a fair chance to me.
Oh, I'm not saying go that far. More like start Proctor to see how he goes with JB, give Hotham and Plummer some game time and maybe LJ at 7 (he was pretty good there in SR)
Yeah I'm saying that's what I'd expect from this group and I'll be mildly surprised if it's actually a proper attempt to build depth and do discovery.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew nah man. So chuck in Plummer with Hotham at halfback and Jacobson at 8, Havili at 12? Doesn't sound like a fair chance to me.
Oh, I'm not saying go that far. More like start Proctor to see how he goes with JB, give Hotham and Plummer some game time and maybe LJ at 7 (he was pretty good there in SR)
Yeah I'm saying that's what I'd expect from this group and I'll be mildly surprised if it's actually a proper attempt to build depth and do discovery.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yeah I'm saying that's what I'd expect from this group and I'll be mildly surprised if it's actually a proper attempt to build depth and do discovery.
Ah gotcha. Good point.
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Something is out of whack, we are almost getting to the Irish series level on the field, players look stressed and quiet out there.
You can see there trying play this fast game from the get go, but I'd like them flip it, play more traditional test rugby and then bring that fast game in the last 20-30 mins, use positional players first 50 then bring on all the outside backs and hybrid loosies.
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Compared to 2-3 years ago they are creating much more opportunities to score tries.
It's almost as if they are trying too hard and pushing miracle passes at times.
Strong leadership would sort a lot of this out. Calm TF down. We have the ability on the whole.
I am optimistic. There's too many good young players coming through not to be. -
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15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 Williams@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
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15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 WilliamsWhere's the fucking bench?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
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15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 WilliamsWhere's the fucking bench?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Copy and paste from previous thread
15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 WilliamsWhere's the fucking bench?
Bench keep losing us games and are unable to score, so were not using one
JB probably out to I reckon
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
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15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 WilliamsWhere's the fucking bench?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Copy and paste from previous thread
15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 WilliamsWhere's the fucking bench?
No bench, don't need one
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Copy and paste from previous thread
15 Love
14 Reiko
13 Proctor
12 Jordie
11 Clarke
10 DMac
9 Ratima
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Sititi (C)
5 Barrett
4 Vaii
3 Lomax
2 Taylor
1 WilliamsWhere's the fucking bench?
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Players that should be rested:
Taylor, Lomax, A. Savea, D Mac, J.Barrett, R. Ioane
So the team I'd pick is:
De Groot, Bell, Tosi, S.Barrett, Vaii, Finau, Blackadder, Sititi, Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB, Proctor, Jordan, Love
Aumua, Williams, Ofa T, Darry, Cane, Hotham, B. Barrett, Telea,
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Players that should be rested:
Taylor, Lomax, A. Savea, D Mac, J.Barrett, R. Ioane
So the team I'd pick is:
De Groot, Bell, Tosi, S.Barrett, Vaii, Finau, Blackadder, Sititi, Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB, Proctor, Jordan, Love
Aumua, Williams, Ofa T, Darry, Cane, Hotham, B. Barrett, Telea,
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@sparky that's so many changes it'll be like last time we did that, fucking disaster. Except this lot will lose in welly. Again
@Machpants And what did South Africa do against Australia in the second game? They're World Number 1 because they take risks. That side is capable of beating the Number 9 side in the world handsomely.
And some guys have played a lot of minutes already this year. We need to manage their remaining minutes ahead of huge challenges to come at Twickenham, in Dublin and at the Stade de France.
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@Machpants And what did South Africa do against Australia in the second game? They're World Number 1 because they take risks. That side is capable of beating the Number 9 side in the world handsomely.
And some guys have played a lot of minutes already this year. We need to manage their remaining minutes ahead of huge challenges to come at Twickenham, in Dublin and at the Stade de France.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants And what did South Africa do against Australia in the second game? They'll World Number 1 because they take risks. That side is capable of beating the Number 9 side in the world handsomely.
And some guys have played a lot of minutes already this year. We need to manage their remaining minutes ahead of hug challenges to come at Twickenham, in Dublin and at the Stade de France.
That’s a very woke way to describe a scrum
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Compared to 2-3 years ago they are creating much more opportunities to score tries.
It's almost as if they are trying too hard and pushing miracle passes at times.
Strong leadership would sort a lot of this out. Calm TF down. We have the ability on the whole.
I am optimistic. There's too many good young players coming through not to be.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Compared to 2-3 years ago they are creating much more opportunities to score tries.
But not when it matters - like in the second half.
Strong leadership would sort a lot of this out. Calm TF down.
We have regressed. Back to where we were on the EOYT a couple of years ago
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@Machpants And what did South Africa do against Australia in the second game? They're World Number 1 because they take risks. That side is capable of beating the Number 9 side in the world handsomely.
And some guys have played a lot of minutes already this year. We need to manage their remaining minutes ahead of huge challenges to come at Twickenham, in Dublin and at the Stade de France.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants And what did South Africa do against Australia in the second game? They're World Number 1 because they take risks. That side is capable of beating the Number 9 side in the world handsomely.
And some guys have played a lot of minutes already this year. We need to manage their remaining minutes ahead of huge challenges to come at Twickenham, in Dublin and at the Stade de France.
Yes but they were coming from a dominant win on a settled team. We're coming from a huge pile of shit (c.f.)
