All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
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it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
Maybe it's the roles within the duos. Little and Bunce also quite different compared to their current counterparts. Ideally you need one distributor and one hard runner, whether they play in 12 or 13
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
Maybe it's the roles within the duos. Little and Bunce also quite different compared to their current counterparts. Ideally you need one distributor and one hard runner, whether they play in 12 or 13
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@canefan thats what i was thinking but then when say someone suggests a 13 at 12....the question doesnt seem to be "who do we need outside to compliment him"....its more "wow...calm down with the radical ideas"
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan thats what i was thinking but then when say someone suggests a 13 at 12....the question doesnt seem to be "who do we need outside to compliment him"....its more "wow...calm down with the radical ideas"
It depends on whether the suggested guy is a midfielder, or a fullback or 10 trying to play midfield...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350419172/sam-cane-play-100th-all-blacks-test-new-zealand-swansong
Hopefully we'll get more than 4 carries and 5 tackles from him in his ton game. Waste of time we need to look to the future
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He's missing 1 in every 5 tackles:
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He's missing 1 in every 5 tackles:
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I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
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I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
Cane can't leave soon enough. It will force Razor to make changes
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He's missing 1 in every 5 tackles:
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I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
@No-Quarter Ethan Roots gave us problems in both English games, and that may have influenced thinking. But every chance he’d have been just as effective against Bladder or Wallace. Ironical that he slipped through Razors fingers at Saders.
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And to think I felt players and teams often got up and put on a great display to celebrate esteemed team mates in their swansong. I must be the only one that wants to see Cane and TJP given a great send-off in Wellington!
Must be wrong about there being a leadership issue in the AB's this year too, while our regular posters are confident adding some newbies and anointing Wallace and Cortez in the leadershipgroup will do the trick.
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Where are your stats from? Opta?
I'm big on data driven analysis, but quality of opposition, minutes played, and when those minutes were played, can make some of these comparisons pretty tenuous.
All from RugbyPass
Agreed on quality of opposition but we have had a tough schedule. Really the only games against Tier 2 opposition have been Fiji and arguably Australia. The only points those two provided were a lack of work rate from Jacobson and Cane's continuing tackling issues, along with Blackadder having a shocker that wasn't repeated. That might be unfair on Jacobson.
Focused on only starters to mitigate the issue around when those minutes were played. I see people are calling for Finau, but he started two tests at six, had a decent work rate but missed tackles and had zero impact with the ball in hand.
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All from RugbyPass
Agreed on quality of opposition but we have had a tough schedule. Really the only games against Tier 2 opposition have been Fiji and arguably Australia. The only points those two provided were a lack of work rate from Jacobson and Cane's continuing tackling issues, along with Blackadder having a shocker that wasn't repeated. That might be unfair on Jacobson.
Focused on only starters to mitigate the issue around when those minutes were played. I see people are calling for Finau, but he started two tests at six, had a decent work rate but missed tackles and had zero impact with the ball in hand.
@ABStats said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
All from RugbyPass
Agreed on quality of opposition but we have had a tough schedule. Really the only games against Tier 2 opposition have been Fiji and arguably Australia. The only points those two provided were a lack of work rate from Jacobson and Cane's continuing tackling issues, along with Blackadder having a shocker that wasn't repeated. That might be unfair on Jacobson.
Focused on only starters to mitigate the issue around when those minutes were played. I see people are calling for Finau, but he started two tests at six, had a decent work rate but missed tackles and had zero impact with the ball in hand.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd trust your analysis far more if you could get access to real stats.
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@ABStats said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
All from RugbyPass
Agreed on quality of opposition but we have had a tough schedule. Really the only games against Tier 2 opposition have been Fiji and arguably Australia. The only points those two provided were a lack of work rate from Jacobson and Cane's continuing tackling issues, along with Blackadder having a shocker that wasn't repeated. That might be unfair on Jacobson.
Focused on only starters to mitigate the issue around when those minutes were played. I see people are calling for Finau, but he started two tests at six, had a decent work rate but missed tackles and had zero impact with the ball in hand.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd trust your analysis far more if you could get access to real stats.
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And to think I felt players and teams often got up and put on a great display to celebrate esteemed team mates in their swansong. I must be the only one that wants to see Cane and TJP given a great send-off in Wellington!
Must be wrong about there being a leadership issue in the AB's this year too, while our regular posters are confident adding some newbies and anointing Wallace and Cortez in the leadershipgroup will do the trick.
I think both players have fully earned a hometown farewell after huge AB careers, even though nobody else seems to suggest that online.@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
And to think I felt players and teams often got up and put on a great display to celebrate esteemed team mates in their swansong. I must be the only one that wants to see Cane and TJP given a great send-off in Wellington!
Must be wrong about there being a leadership issue in the AB's this year too, while our regular posters are confident adding some newbies and anointing Wallace and Cortez in the leadershipgroup will do the trick.
I think both players have fully earned a hometown farewell after huge AB careers, even though nobody else seems to suggest that online.I'm all for canes 100 .FFS he came back from a broken neck,
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He's missing 1 in every 5 tackles:
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I would love the GPS data, however for tackle stats, carries and metres run, RugbyPass is pretty accurate.
@ABStats said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I would love the GPS data, however for tackle stats, carries and metres run, RugbyPass is pretty accurate.
A few guys here have access to Opta so can probably comment on that better than I, however I believe Rugbypass doesn't have ruck attendance, cleans etc.
It annoys the shit out of me because, like you, I'd like to get a feel for the data. However, with huge areas of the game not covered by the available stats, I'm not sure the ones we can access are that useful.
