All Blacks vs Wallabies 2

reprobate

It's a good back line, except for 9 and 10. Those guys aren't that important eh... Seriously, what the fuck does this selection accomplish?
Ratima was excellent last week, and showing clear improvement the more he played. TJ is leaving. You achieve fucking nothing selecting him unless Ratima is injured out of the 23.
Beauden Barrett has never been a good 10, and is worse right now than he's ever been before. If everything had been going swimmingly then I could understand giving him a run in a dead rubber, as he will need to play there if McKenzie goes down during a game. But everything certainly has not been going swimmingly, and McKenzie needs to keep playing and we need to keep working on the game plan and developing the combinations.
It's stupid shit. The only upside really for me is that the last 20 will be an interesting watch - though how that goes depends more on the forwards than the 9 & 10.

antipodean

@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Well folks, the much anticipated post is here. You can all stop with the backline predictions and start chatting about this weekends backline that you’ll see below. I was unable to get the forward pack but have heard that Tuipolotu is a real chance to be in the 23 this week.

Again, and as I usually say, a very reliable source who hasn’t led me astray yet. If it’s wrong I’ll own it.

If there are any late week updates in regards to the team, I’ll post that in this thread.

Backline for this weekend as follows.

T.Perenara

B.Barrett

C.Clarke

A. Lienart-Brown

R.Ioane

S.Reece

W.Jordan

Bench
21. C.Ratima
22. D.Mckenzie
23. D.Havili

My concern is they'll tear the Wallabies a new arsehole and then everyone thinks that halves pairing is the one for the NH tour.

canefan

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Well folks, the much anticipated post is here. You can all stop with the backline predictions and start chatting about this weekends backline that you’ll see below. I was unable to get the forward pack but have heard that Tuipolotu is a real chance to be in the 23 this week.

Again, and as I usually say, a very reliable source who hasn’t led me astray yet. If it’s wrong I’ll own it.

If there are any late week updates in regards to the team, I’ll post that in this thread.

Backline for this weekend as follows.

T.Perenara

B.Barrett

C.Clarke

A. Lienart-Brown

R.Ioane

S.Reece

W.Jordan

Bench
21. C.Ratima
22. D.Mckenzie
23. D.Havili

My concern is they'll tear the Wallabies a new arsehole and then everyone thinks that halves pairing is the one for the NH tour.

I'm a JB fan, but he hasn't exactly been pulling up trees so far this test season. I'm not a big ALB fan, but if he plays well, some competition for places will not do any of them any harm

JK

@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

That backline really does suck TJ and BB and ALB Fuck me we have lost the plot.

At least Havili aint at 12....

voodoo

@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Japan would appear to be the test some of the other squad players will get their chance. TJP starting this test shouldn't be a surprise, especially if it is his last. Then we move on.

I wonder if the other thing behind TJ starting is the desire to do finish the test off better than we have done lately - and that Ratima can bring that spark we need.

Same theory for DMac I guess - those 2 guys running at tired forwards (to the extent those still exist in the modern game) to try and spark something late

Bovidae

@Machpants TJP was always going to be in the 23 as I doubt they'd select Hotham. Of course I prefer Ratima, but perversely I'm looking forward to seeing BB operate with slow ball. It could backfire spectacularly.

Canes4life

@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Japan would appear to be the test some of the other squad players will get their chance. TJP starting this test shouldn't be a surprise, especially if it is his last. Then we move on.

Same with Cane IMO. Roigard and Lakai coming into the squad for the EOYT is a must in my view. We need to start building for the future.

Canes4life

@JK said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

That backline really does suck TJ and BB and ALB Fuck me we have lost the plot.

At least Havili aint at 12....

But he's not a 13 either so why the fuck is he there? Oh yeah, because he's a Crusader.

Kirwan

Perhaps some of the Wellington and Auckland players should start wearing red and black clothes to appeal to Roberston and Ryan subliminally?

Mr Fish

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@JK said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

That backline really does suck TJ and BB and ALB Fuck me we have lost the plot.

At least Havili aint at 12....

But he's not a 13 either so why the fuck is he there? Oh yeah, because he's a Crusader.

He can cover 12 if ALB has to come off.

ALB can shift to 13 if Ioane has to come off.

It makes sense to have a 12 on the bench - less so a 13.

Proctor needs to be given the best possible chance to succeed when he gets another run. Bringing him on out of position wouldn't do that.

reprobate

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@JK said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

That backline really does suck TJ and BB and ALB Fuck me we have lost the plot.

At least Havili aint at 12....

But he's not a 13 either so why the fuck is he there? Oh yeah, because he's a Crusader.

But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ Lam would have been my pick for that role, but it is about Havili's level and he's got a heap more experience so it's not hard to see the logic in the selection.

Fihaki on the other hand is well worth having a whinge about.

No Quarter

@JK said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

That backline really does suck TJ and BB and ALB Fuck me we have lost the plot.

At least Havili aint at 12....

.....yet

Machpants

Herald has caught up on the fern

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/all-blacks-v-australia-beauden-barrett-set-to-replace-damian-mckenzie-for-bledisloe-cup-test/NWQ7HDYZTZCILATUWLX2K6EGKY/

Kiwiwomble

im starting it wonder if Razor was more pissed off about missing out on the job to fozzie than we thought....and he's now deliberately trying to take his revenge.....

i mean seriously! Ratima plays amazing....straight to the bench....why?! cant be to rest him surely!

Victor Meldrew

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ

He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.

But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.

reprobate

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ

He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.

But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.

Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.

Chris B.

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

im starting it wonder if Razor was more pissed off about missing out on the job to fozzie than we thought....and he's now deliberately trying to take his revenge.....

i mean seriously! Ratima plays amazing....straight to the bench....why?! cant be to rest him surely!

Well, maybe...just maybe...Razor's thought "Hmmm, we haven't scored any points in the final quarter...maybe I'll put a bit more offensive firepower on the bench".

Though, more likely you're right - he's thinking fuck the All Blacks, I'm going to burn the house down - but, very slowly, I'll start by beating England a couple of times so no-one will suspect.....

Machpants

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ

He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.

But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.

Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.

I don't think his match day selections are affected by saders bias, more experience bias, when it shoul dbe performance bias. He's picking past it old gits that need to be moved on.

canefan

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ

He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.

But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.

Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.

I think we are confusing things. If Sititi had been a Sader and been picked for the ABs after an unheralded SR campaign, and then performed the way he has, I don't think there would be anywhere near the level of discord that EB got because his performances are perceived to be less convincing

reprobate

@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ

He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.

But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.

Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.

I think we are confusing things. If Sititi had been a Sader and been picked for the ABs after an unheralded SR campaign, and then performed the way he has, I don't think there would be anywhere near the level of discord that EB got because his performances are perceived to be less convincing

Disagree mate. EB has been pretty good, which is why I changed my mind about him being a poor selection. Seems to me the anti-Crusaders mob are so caught up in their outrage over him being selected that they can't / won't see it.
Don't forget Sititi's first run off the bench was pretty bloody poor, and everybody was pretty forgiving - I'm damn sure that would not have been the case if he were a Crusader.

The Silver Fern

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