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    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.

    Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...

    ??

    I'm from TA, I grew up with the Jacobsons (his cousins - I don't know him).

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.

    Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...

    ??

    I'm from TA, I grew up with the Jacobsons (his cousins - I don't know him).

    So the Chiefs... just like Finau?

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      @African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

      We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.

      Agree. Look at Sititi in 6, crazy idea but fook mi it paid off against both the Boks and Oz. Just need to select and introduce more young/form players - not stick with the old and past it.

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      @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

      @African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

      We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.

      Agree. Look at Sititi in 6, crazy idea but fook mi it paid off against both the Boks and Oz. Just need to select and introduce more young/form players - not stick with the old and past it.

      I think the starting side has largely gone pretty well. Other than that flukey game against Argentina, we have controlled the first 60 minutes of all the Rugby Championship tests. Bench is where we can really improve, but I'm not really sure what the options are that make us better?

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        @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.

        Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...

        ??

        I'm from TA, I grew up with the Jacobsons (his cousins - I don't know him).

        So the Chiefs... just like Finau?

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        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.

        Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...

        ??

        I'm from TA, I grew up with the Jacobsons (his cousins - I don't know him).

        So the Chiefs... just like Finau?

        Still not registering?

        See, I don't have a Chiefs bias, I'd like to see the best players out there.

        I for example, wouldn't have even selected Cane in the squad, despite my undying love for him.

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          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

          Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

          The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

          personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well

          This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

          If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

          There is legitimate criticism of some of the wider squad selections, but that doesn't have an impact to what happens on Saturday.

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          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

          If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

          But the bench has shat the bed for 5 tests in a row.

          People want changes to the bench - without ripping players who are effective in the starting XV (i.e. Ratima).

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            @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

            Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

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            @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

            Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

            This is my point though. Can't hold players to standards they aren't capable of.
            I think the majority believe that the starting XV last week was pretty much the best one the ABs could field, barring right wing and the loose trio.

            The players aren't playing badly, they just aren't Richie McCaw and Dan Carter.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

              If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

              But the bench has shat the bed for 5 tests in a row.

              People want changes to the bench - without ripping players who are effective in the starting XV (i.e. Ratima).

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              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

              @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

              If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

              But the bench has shat the bed for 5 tests in a row.

              People want changes to the bench - without ripping players who are effective in the starting XV (i.e. Ratima).

              Ratima is on the bench for sentimental reasons. Perenara's last home test in what is a dead rubber.

              They have no other options in the front row, and they have brought in Tuipulotu. Could argue for Finau, but he has been shit this year.

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                @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

                Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

                This is my point though. Can't hold players to standards they aren't capable of.
                I think the majority believe that the starting XV last week was pretty much the best one the ABs could field, barring right wing and the loose trio.

                The players aren't playing badly, they just aren't Richie McCaw and Dan Carter.

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                @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

                Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

                This is my point though. Can't hold players to standards they aren't capable of.
                I think the majority believe that the starting XV last week was pretty much the best one the ABs could field, barring right wing and the loose trio.

                lets say we agree....and yet we've seen changes at 9 and 10....and kept the lose trio....does that make sense?

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                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

                  But the bench has shat the bed for 5 tests in a row.

                  People want changes to the bench - without ripping players who are effective in the starting XV (i.e. Ratima).

                  Ratima is on the bench for sentimental reasons. Perenara's last home test in what is a dead rubber.

                  They have no other options in the front row, and they have brought in Tuipulotu. Could argue for Finau, but he has been shit this year.

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                  @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  They have no other options in the front row

                  Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

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                    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                    @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                    @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

                    Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

                    This is my point though. Can't hold players to standards they aren't capable of.
                    I think the majority believe that the starting XV last week was pretty much the best one the ABs could field, barring right wing and the loose trio.

                    lets say we agree....and yet we've seen changes at 9 and 10....and kept the lose trio....does that make sense?

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                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                    @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                    @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

                    Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

                    This is my point though. Can't hold players to standards they aren't capable of.
                    I think the majority believe that the starting XV last week was pretty much the best one the ABs could field, barring right wing and the loose trio.

                    lets say we agree....and yet we've seen changes at 9 and 10....and kept the lose trio....does that make sense?

                    Perenara and Cane are starting for sentimental reasons IMO, so hard to really decipher that this week.

                    Barrett in for McKenzie... that's a real polarising selection I'll give you that.

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                      @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                      Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                      Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                      Sotutu
                      Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                      Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                      Plummer to actually be used

                      And that’s just the tip of my head.

                      Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                      I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                      I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

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                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                      @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                      Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                      Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                      Sotutu
                      Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                      Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                      Plummer to actually be used

                      And that’s just the tip of my head.

                      Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                      I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                      I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                      Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

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                        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                        They have no other options in the front row

                        Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

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                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                        They have no other options in the front row

                        Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

                        I'd play Bell, no arguments from me, but I'm guessing (like Hotham) they're viewed more so as options for the future. Bell particularly is probably still a couple of years away from being a proper option at test level and is only there because Taukei'aho is injured.

                        Aumua in theory has the goods, so I can see why they are persisting with him.

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                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                          @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                          @frugby that just means it’s more important to drop players not playing well.

                          Was a strength of AB teams in the past.

                          This is my point though. Can't hold players to standards they aren't capable of.
                          I think the majority believe that the starting XV last week was pretty much the best one the ABs could field, barring right wing and the loose trio.

                          lets say we agree....and yet we've seen changes at 9 and 10....and kept the lose trio....does that make sense?

                          Perenara and Cane are starting for sentimental reasons IMO, so hard to really decipher that this week.

                          Barrett in for McKenzie... that's a real polarising selection I'll give you that.

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                          @frugby then honestly thats another reason to get on razors back, be sentimental when you have the luxury of winning....fuck it off when trying to steady the ship...id be fucking embarrassed if if was TJP just starting because its my last game at home

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                            @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                            The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                            Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                            Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                            Sotutu
                            Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                            Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                            Plummer to actually be used

                            And that’s just the tip of my head.

                            Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                            I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                            I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                            Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

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                            @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                            Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                            The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                            Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                            Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                            Sotutu
                            Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                            Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                            Plummer to actually be used

                            And that’s just the tip of my head.

                            Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                            I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                            I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                            Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

                            I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.

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                              @frugby then honestly thats another reason to get on razors back, be sentimental when you have the luxury of winning....fuck it off when trying to steady the ship...id be fucking embarrassed if if was TJP just starting because its my last game at home

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                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                              @frugby then honestly thats another reason to get on razors back, be sentimental when you have the luxury of winning....fuck it off when trying to steady the ship...id be fucking embarrassed if if was TJP just starting because its my last game at home

                              Professional sport is way more sentimental than it should be... though in fairness, it is easy to forget that these are all people who have personal relationships just like we do at the grassroots level.

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                                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                They have no other options in the front row

                                Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

                                I'd play Bell, no arguments from me, but I'm guessing (like Hotham) they're viewed more so as options for the future. Bell particularly is probably still a couple of years away from being a proper option at test level and is only there because Taukei'aho is injured.

                                Aumua in theory has the goods, so I can see why they are persisting with him.

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                                @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                They have no other options in the front row

                                Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

                                I'd play Bell, no arguments from me, but I'm guessing (like Hotham) they're viewed more so as options for the future. Bell particularly is probably still a couple of years away from being a proper option at test level and is only there because Taukei'aho is injured.

                                Aumua in theory has the goods, so I can see why they are persisting with him.

                                Then in the meantime you have no selection pressure on Aumua (or Taylor) and if either were injured Bell would be forced to play anyway.

                                If Bell is good enough to play vs Fiji off the bench he's good enough to play off the bench in a dead rubber Bledisloe.

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                                  @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  They have no other options in the front row

                                  Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

                                  I'd play Bell, no arguments from me, but I'm guessing (like Hotham) they're viewed more so as options for the future. Bell particularly is probably still a couple of years away from being a proper option at test level and is only there because Taukei'aho is injured.

                                  Aumua in theory has the goods, so I can see why they are persisting with him.

                                  Then in the meantime you have no selection pressure on Aumua (or Taylor) and if either were injured Bell would be forced to play anyway.

                                  If Bell is good enough to play vs Fiji off the bench he's good enough to play off the bench in a dead rubber Bledisloe.

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                                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  They have no other options in the front row

                                  Yes they do. They have Bell. Supposedly he's highly rated. He looked good in limited minutes vs Fiji. Aumua has been disappointing. Where is he?

                                  I'd play Bell, no arguments from me, but I'm guessing (like Hotham) they're viewed more so as options for the future. Bell particularly is probably still a couple of years away from being a proper option at test level and is only there because Taukei'aho is injured.

                                  Aumua in theory has the goods, so I can see why they are persisting with him.

                                  Then in the meantime you have no selection pressure on Aumua (or Taylor) and if either were injured Bell would be forced to play anyway.

                                  If Bell is good enough to play vs Fiji off the bench he's good enough to play off the bench in a dead rubber Bledisloe.

                                  And if he isn't good enough (now), he should be a training member of the squad and they should bring in someone who can put selection pressure on Aumua.

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                                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                    Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                    The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                    personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well

                                    This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

                                    If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

                                    There is legitimate criticism of some of the wider squad selections, but that doesn't have an impact to what happens on Saturday.

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                                    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                    @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                    Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                    The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                    personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well

                                    This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

                                    We know the reason. Otherwise explain how TJ gets to start, how Ardie gets to start, how Cane gets to start, how Beaudy gets to start at 10, how Havili makes the 23, etc.

                                    The two best 8s in Super Rugby this year. Neither gets to play 8 for the All Blacks despite Ardie's form. One isn't even in the squad.

                                    But it's all "training ground metrics". Fuck off.

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                                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                      personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well

                                      This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

                                      If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.

                                      There is legitimate criticism of some of the wider squad selections, but that doesn't have an impact to what happens on Saturday.

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                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

                                      Because the coaches lack imagination and vision?
                                      Ratima and Darry were playing well, but brought in due to emergency, and actually played well, what a surprise!

                                      I'll give them Sititi and Tosi.
                                      But their knee-jerk reaction seems to be older Crusaders, and two especially that seem injury-prone and positionally challenged.

                                      It's not just a Crusader thing, I'd prefer Plummer over BB at 10 and I am reluctant to favour BB at 15, there should be other newer options.

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                                        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                        The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                        personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well

                                        This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

                                        We know the reason. Otherwise explain how TJ gets to start, how Ardie gets to start, how Cane gets to start, how Beaudy gets to start at 10, how Havili makes the 23, etc.

                                        The two best 8s in Super Rugby this year. Neither gets to play 8 for the All Blacks despite Ardie's form. One isn't even in the squad.

                                        But it's all "training ground metrics". Fuck off.

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                                        @antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                        The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                        personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well

                                        This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?

                                        We know the reason. Otherwise explain how TJ gets to start, how Ardie gets to start, how Cane gets to start, how Beaudy gets to start at 10, how Havili makes the 23, etc.

                                        The two best 8s in Super Rugby this year. Neither gets to play 8 for the All Blacks despite Ardie's form. One isn't even in the squad.

                                        But it's all "training ground metrics". Fuck off.

                                        yeah....not sure how much i trust these training metrics when we dont see it reflected with good play on the pitch in either international or super rugby, maybe their training metrics are fucked up

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                                        • M Machpants

                                          @African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                          The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                          We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.

                                          Agree. Look at Sititi in 6, crazy idea but fook mi it paid off against both the Boks and Oz. Just need to select and introduce more young/form players - not stick with the old and past it.

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                                          @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                          The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                          We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.

                                          Agree. Look at Sititi in 6, crazy idea but fook mi it paid off against both the Boks and Oz. Just need to select and introduce more young/form players - not stick with the old and past it.

                                          Sititi hasn't gone well at 6, he's been an 8 playing 6 and his stats back that up as he is strong with ball in hand but not making a lot of tackles. So we have two x 8s not making a lot of tackles and no 6 out there. The selections are laughably ridiculous, worse than the Fozzie era now.

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