Lions v Hurricanes (SF)
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@Bones Proctor played a couple of games at the beginning of the season got injured came back got injured against the Lions (BIL that is). He's named as a utility in the squad. Aso came in and has played consistent rugby all season based on his consistency and being joint top try scorer he holds is position ahead of Proctor even he was fit after the Maori game.
@Wreck-Diver yeah, 7 games is only a couple? Consistently selected ahead of Aso when fit, that's an odd one when according to you, Aso holds his place. That's not what I call holding your place.
He's been the number 13 when fit this year and last.
The stats are pretty telling too. Especially considering he's played less than half as many minutes as Aso ( who has been excellent on the wing, but pretty average at centre, especially when you look at defence, turnovers and breaking tackles).
https://www.alloutrugby.com/stats/?seasonid=32&view=player_vs_player&action=main
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@Wreck-Diver yeah, 7 games is only a couple? Consistently selected ahead of Aso when fit, that's an odd one when according to you, Aso holds his place. That's not what I call holding your place.
He's been the number 13 when fit this year and last.
The stats are pretty telling too. Especially considering he's played less than half as many minutes as Aso ( who has been excellent on the wing, but pretty average at centre, especially when you look at defence, turnovers and breaking tackles).
https://www.alloutrugby.com/stats/?seasonid=32&view=player_vs_player&action=main
@Bones Stats don't mean shit. You say the Canes wont win back to back because Proctor is injured, bullshit. You even have said you don't trust J Barrett because defence. Well sorry Aso on current form makes the team in my book and is joint top try scorer in the comp as you say playing an average game at centre
Oh and I nearly forgot Proctors got a fuckin top knock and that just rules him out -
@Bones Stats don't mean shit. You say the Canes wont win back to back because Proctor is injured, bullshit. You even have said you don't trust J Barrett because defence. Well sorry Aso on current form makes the team in my book and is joint top try scorer in the comp as you say playing an average game at centre
Oh and I nearly forgot Proctors got a fuckin top knock and that just rules him out@Wreck-Diver I agree and so do the selectors, Aso makes the team. On the wing.
Stats help tell a story. So does consistently getting selected ahead of another player.
No idea what Barrett has to do with it.
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@Bones Stats don't mean shit. You say the Canes wont win back to back because Proctor is injured, bullshit. You even have said you don't trust J Barrett because defence. Well sorry Aso on current form makes the team in my book and is joint top try scorer in the comp as you say playing an average game at centre
Oh and I nearly forgot Proctors got a fuckin top knock and that just rules him out@Wreck-Diver by the way you may want to re-read my post when the mania has passed. That word "may"....
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@Darren-Nicholson I think his defence alone would walk him in, that's not even taking into account how good he is at distribution/using space.
@Bones said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Darren-Nicholson I think his defence alone would walk him in, that's not even taking into account how good he is at distribution/using space.
Proctor was great for us. Aso did very well in his place but I always felt he looked like a winger playing midfield
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Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with
ArdieJulian (edit thanks @booboo ) on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.Aso has done well in Proctor's absence but I'd have Proctor back at Centre in a heart beat.
Plus, whilst stats don't always tell the full picture, they certainly help to give context and those stats that @Bones linked to give excellent context.
Anyway, all a moot point as Proctor isn't available and I would go with the backline as suggested earlier in the thread:
11 Julian Savea
12 Laumape
12 Aso
14 Milner-Skudder
15 Jordie BarrettStill a very settled and potent backline and one that has all the potential to help the 'Canes go back to back!
My $0.02 worth
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Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
@Bones said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
Really unfair I reckon,
Should have switched the reffing teams around for the Semi's... Crusaders get Glen Jackson (60 games for the Chiefs)
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Proctor was killing it at 13 before he got injured. Definitely first choice 13 (although Jordie seems to be some kind of arsey lucky charm there). He wasn't the best player in the team though. That's taking it too far.
@Rancid-Schnitzel I'll settle for best equal.
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@Bones said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
Really unfair I reckon,
Should have switched the reffing teams around for the Semi's... Crusaders get Glen Jackson (60 games for the Chiefs)
@SammyC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Bones said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
Really unfair I reckon,
Should have switched the reffing teams around for the Semi's... Crusaders get Glen Jackson (60 games for the Chiefs)
you mean "hometown" Glen Jackson. Who is at home? Nice try sammy
Absolutely no pressure on the Chiefs now, travel, away game, and now disadvantaged by the ref. Getting within 10 would be a moral victory.
oh yea, something something 'canes
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That (the reffing team) makes it doubly hard for the Canes. They'll just need to get in and roll their sleeves up. Ts gonna be a tough night. but not impossible
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haha yeah some texts they read on RS today...
Bloody former Chiefs player Glen Jackson always favours them
Bloody Glen Jackson tries so hard to appear unbias he is always harder on the ChiefsNot quotes, but you get the gist...
Gardner is one of the best, if not the best in the comp right, so he gets a semi-final off, assuming that means he gets the final, but surely he should have had a semi too, as above, coulda sent him to SA as the odds are thats where the final will be, and even if he has to come back to NZ, same travel schedule as the canes.
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Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
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Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
And earlier in the season you might even consider Aso snaking Savea for the starting spot. Aso has done well at centre, but he has really shone on the wing.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
And earlier in the season you might even consider Aso snaking Savea for the starting spot. Aso has done well at centre, but he has really shone on the wing.
@Paekakboyz Savea looked trim and ready to play early on in the season. I liked what I saw, but then his form drifted and agree Aso was the better performed winger. With the injuries to NMS and Proctor, Aso has taken his opportunities with both hands.
