Lions v Hurricanes (SF)
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Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
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Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
And earlier in the season you might even consider Aso snaking Savea for the starting spot. Aso has done well at centre, but he has really shone on the wing.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Proctor was in career form at the start of the season. Even some early chatter of higher honours. He's been a very good defender for a number of years but it was in attack that I saw the marked improvement.
Given Jordie is starting at centre I think we can put it in the bank that Boyd would've started Proctor if he were fit. All things being equal this is probably their best backline:
10 Barrett
11 Savea
12 Laumape
13 Proctor
14 NMS
15 Barrett22 Black 23 Aso
And earlier in the season you might even consider Aso snaking Savea for the starting spot. Aso has done well at centre, but he has really shone on the wing.
@Paekakboyz Savea looked trim and ready to play early on in the season. I liked what I saw, but then his form drifted and agree Aso was the better performed winger. With the injuries to NMS and Proctor, Aso has taken his opportunities with both hands.
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@ACT-Crusader, yeah Jules was looking the part early on. Funny how so much of the Canes recent development is due to NMS and Proctor picking up injuries. Definitely a silver lining! Plus we've had Jane and Ben Lam in the wings... umm wings... you know what I mean
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I haven't been all that impressed with NMS since his return, I'd probably lean towards Aso there eh.
@Bones yeah he hasn't set the world on fire. But his positioning has been good and he's had a few 'almost' moments. Hopefully he can rediscover that irresistible form.
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With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
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With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway. -
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.@Crucial said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.His Hutt roots run deep, I think everything will centre around his family keeping their base where it is
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@Crucial said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.His Hutt roots run deep, I think everything will centre around his family keeping their base where it is
@canefan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Crucial said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.His Hutt roots run deep, I think everything will centre around his family keeping their base where it is
He (well actually his wife and a friend) brought out a local gym that went bust. Got all the gear at fire sale price and setup a new gym. It's the family business now.
He is very much a family man and his support network for the kids is all around him. Nott the type to run overseas after money. -
Yeah he was looking at short but lucrative overseas gigs as their son has a serious medical condition. Great that we'll see him (and his whanau) stay in NZ. I agree with the comments about his rugby nous, when you hear him talk about the game in detail it's like listening to a different person!
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Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with
ArdieJulian (edit thanks @booboo ) on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.Aso has done well in Proctor's absence but I'd have Proctor back at Centre in a heart beat.
Plus, whilst stats don't always tell the full picture, they certainly help to give context and those stats that @Bones linked to give excellent context.
Anyway, all a moot point as Proctor isn't available and I would go with the backline as suggested earlier in the thread:
11 Julian Savea
12 Laumape
12 Aso
14 Milner-Skudder
15 Jordie BarrettStill a very settled and potent backline and one that has all the potential to help the 'Canes go back to back!
My $0.02 worth
@RoninWC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with Ardie on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.
Ardie? Surely he starts at 12? Jules maybe on the wing ...
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Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
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@Bones said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
Jack O'Piper is ok.
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Match: Lions v Hurricanes @ Emirates Airlines Park, Johannesburg
Date: Saturday 29 July 2017
Kick-Off: 14:30 local
Referee: Jaco Peyper
AR1: Marius van der Westhuizen
AR2: Rasta Rasivhenge
TMO: Marius Jonker@G-Man said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Match: Lions v Hurricanes @ Emirates Airlines Park, Johannesburg
Date: Saturday 29 July 2017
Kick-Off: 14:30 local
Referee: Jaco Peyper
AR1: Marius van der Westhuizen
AR2: Rasta Rasivhenge
TMO: Marius JonkerThat's terrible. The first AR tried to whistle the Sharks out of their quarter final.
The second one was a truly terrible 7s referee. The idea that clown is being groomed to take care of real rugby terrifies me.
The third one is a known cheat and shit TMO.
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@RoninWC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with Ardie on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.
Ardie? Surely he starts at 12? Jules maybe on the wing ...
@booboo said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@RoninWC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with Ardie on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.
Ardie? Surely he starts at 12? Jules maybe on the wing ...
Ah yeah... For the semi-finals why not go with something out of left field that the other teams won't be expecting... Ardie with his speed (and height) for the wing and put Jules on the side of the scrum as he's the bigger sibling.
Thanks for pointing out my mistake @booboo and I shall fix forth with.
Cheers
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Yeah he was looking at short but lucrative overseas gigs as their son has a serious medical condition. Great that we'll see him (and his whanau) stay in NZ. I agree with the comments about his rugby nous, when you hear him talk about the game in detail it's like listening to a different person!
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Yeah he was looking at short but lucrative overseas gigs as their son has a serious medical condition. Great that we'll see him (and his whanau) stay in NZ. I agree with the comments about his rugby nous, when you hear him talk about the game in detail it's like listening to a different person!
The Piri effect.
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Also the Cullen effect.. or kind of. I've been impressed with how Cully has grown into his presenting and commentating work
He was a pretty quiet guy, and having guys like Rush taking pot shots at your intellect (beer bottle!) doesn't help. Although I'm almost certain Rush admitted he was talking about Osborne aye?
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
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Also the Cullen effect.. or kind of. I've been impressed with how Cully has grown into his presenting and commentating work
He was a pretty quiet guy, and having guys like Rush taking pot shots at your intellect (beer bottle!) doesn't help. Although I'm almost certain Rush admitted he was talking about Osborne aye?
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
