Hurricanes v Sunwolves
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It comes down to what is defined as the TMO role. I think we all agree with
- Try scoring
- Clear and obvious foul play
- Specific requests from the onfield referee
But what has been brought back in this game is
- Forward passes way back prior
- 50/50 (at best) penalty calls
I don't think that should be in their mandate. It's only one step away from offsides at the ruck / breakdown of which I'm fairly sure you could ping people at every single opportunity.
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@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
If it is a yellow card, go back for it. However, if it is just a penalty, I dont see the point in going back to it. It isn't serious enough to rule out a try.
I can't say I agree with that. These calls were stupid, but if you've fouled in the lead up to a try, there's no reason why it shouldn't be called back (e.g. when the touch judge sticks his/her flag out).
Not if it has nothing to do with the try. Parker's tackle on Beauden was heaps of phases after.
And if it had been called at the time, it still would have been a try?
Obviously not. I believe the referee has a job to do and it is only up to the TMO to fix up serious mistakes, "howlers" if you will. Otherwise we should have referees going back to look at whether technically player x came in from the side three phases a go.
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
If it is a yellow card, go back for it. However, if it is just a penalty, I dont see the point in going back to it. It isn't serious enough to rule out a try.
I can't say I agree with that. These calls were stupid, but if you've fouled in the lead up to a try, there's no reason why it shouldn't be called back (e.g. when the touch judge sticks his/her flag out).
Not if it has nothing to do with the try. Parker's tackle on Beauden was heaps of phases after.
And if it had been called at the time, it still would have been a try?
Obviously not. I believe the referee has a job to do and it is only up to the TMO to fix up serious mistakes, "howlers" if you will. Otherwise we should have referees going back to look at whether technically player x came in from the side three phases a go.
So then it had everything to do with the try.
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@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
If it is a yellow card, go back for it. However, if it is just a penalty, I dont see the point in going back to it. It isn't serious enough to rule out a try.
I can't say I agree with that. These calls were stupid, but if you've fouled in the lead up to a try, there's no reason why it shouldn't be called back (e.g. when the touch judge sticks his/her flag out).
Not if it has nothing to do with the try. Parker's tackle on Beauden was heaps of phases after.
And if it had been called at the time, it still would have been a try?
Obviously not. I believe the referee has a job to do and it is only up to the TMO to fix up serious mistakes, "howlers" if you will. Otherwise we should have referees going back to look at whether technically player x came in from the side three phases a go.
So then it had everything to do with the try.
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
If it is a yellow card, go back for it. However, if it is just a penalty, I dont see the point in going back to it. It isn't serious enough to rule out a try.
I can't say I agree with that. These calls were stupid, but if you've fouled in the lead up to a try, there's no reason why it shouldn't be called back (e.g. when the touch judge sticks his/her flag out).
Not if it has nothing to do with the try. Parker's tackle on Beauden was heaps of phases after.
And if it had been called at the time, it still would have been a try?
Obviously not. I believe the referee has a job to do and it is only up to the TMO to fix up serious mistakes, "howlers" if you will. Otherwise we should have referees going back to look at whether technically player x came in from the side three phases a go.
So then it had everything to do with the try.
No it didn't. It was a penalty at the time but it didn't stop a try from being scored. The referee missed it so it should just be play on.
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Julian Savea close to MotM. Hard to believe these days. Finally, Hurricanes learn to just not kick the ball away and they score
@tordah said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Julian Savea close to MotM. Hard to believe these days. Finally, Hurricanes learn to just not kick the ball away and they score
Changing half back made a massive difference, booth just cleared it fast, like Aaron Smith
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The last ten minutes showed why we were so poor. All we needed to do in the second half was get some possession and we would have pushed 70 points. I'm very much not a fan of Booth. We have a lineout, in our own half on about the ten metre line and he just kicks the ball away. When we had the ball, we looked dangerous.
The Sunwolves were able to keep the game close because they dictated it by holding onto the ball and denying us opportunities.
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Not a great game. Canes below their best and the Sunwolves unable to do much with a heap of territory and possession.
Nutbrown lets an awful lot go for both sides, some obvious stuff too, and then you get the TMO pouring over every little thing searching for penalties. No consistency and makes it difficult to follow.
Scrappy all round but 5 points in the bank so flush the dunny and move on.
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Booth only came in last few minutes, it was Christie who was awful. Booth made a real difference.
Outside of the silly errors, shit line out, random passes to no one and muddled running lines, I think the real problem was tackling. Scrambling defence was great but the canes were totally weak individually in the tackle. Not one boomfa, No one was smashed or even slightly pushed back. It was really poor.
Still when you have the backs the canes have, and a half back that just passes the ball it rains tries
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Booth only came in last few minutes, it was Christie who was awful. Booth made a real difference.
Outside of the silly errors, shit line out, random passes to no one and muddled running lines, I think the real problem was tackling. Scrambling defence was great but the canes were totally weak individually in the tackle. Not one boomfa, No one was smashed or even slightly pushed back. It was really poor.
Still when you have the backs the canes have, and a half back that just passes the ball it rains tries
@machpants said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
I think the real problem was tackling. Scrambling defence was great but the canes were totally weak individually in the tackle. Not one boomfa, No one was smashed or even slightly pushed back. It was really poor.Not unexpected in a long comp when the players know that the game is a banker and they should be able to turn on for a short period and take 5 points. Need to pick your moments for the big efforts in this comp (especially with the derby games)
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@mn5 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@dice said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@nepia said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Jamie Nutbrown looks in his 50s.
It must be a Canterbury thing. They always have guys who look old for their age.
Whitelock syndrome
Errmmm...isn't Nutbrown from BOP and the Whitelocks from Manawatu...?
@bones said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@mn5 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@dice said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@nepia said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Jamie Nutbrown looks in his 50s.
It must be a Canterbury thing. They always have guys who look old for their age.
Whitelock syndrome
Errmmm...isn't Nutbrown from BOP and the Whitelocks from Manawatu...?
Nutbrown is from Christchurch
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@unite said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Missed the game, how did NMS go when he came on?
Pulled off his step on his first run, took some heavy contact and don’t break. Great cheer from the crowd when he came on.
Didn’t do a lot, but a start.
Savea had a very good game.
