Blues v Jaguares
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@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
But seriously, where do we go from here? Do we give Umaga one more year (as painful as it sounds)? Who are the other viable options? I always felt that an assistant coach was the way to go for him before jumping into a head coach role and he has been somewhat found out at this level. I don't think the guy is a terrible coach, I just feel that he has taken one of the toughest gigs in the world too early in his career and has been exposed badly this season. Everyone wants to be a top level coach, but coaching the Blues is not a job for rookies and Umaga has probably ruined his coaching career by jumping into this role.
It's very important for us to employ someone who has done the rounds as our next coach, not an ex AB looking to get into the coaching game if we move on from Umaga. I've heard Tom Coventry mentioned and I personally could live with an appointment like that but knowing our board, well go with another celebrity type name and have someone like Keven Mealamu take over,
@african-monkey said in Blues v Jaguares:
I've heard Tom Coventry mentioned and I personally could live with an appointment like that but knowing our board, well go with another celebrity type name and have someone like Keven Mealamu take over
Carlos!
[edit] I better add that this is sarcasm. Some people are a little slow [\edit]
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NZR seems pretty hands-off don't they. They were very involved when the Highlanders were in trouble.
With privatisation perhaps they have little direct input now but you would hope to see some leadership from HQ.
@bovidae said in Blues v Jaguares:
NZR seems pretty hands-off don't they. They were very involved when the Highlanders were in trouble.
With privatisation perhaps they have little direct input now but you would hope to see some leadership from HQ.
Yep fuck all. Their biggest market. NZRU have a lot of blame.
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It's a fiction to claim that there hasn't been a discussion about the board, or that there has not been a significant amount of blame placed on the board.
@duluth said in Blues v Jaguares:
It's a fiction to claim that there hasn't been a discussion about the board, or that there has not been a significant amount of blame placed on the board.
Cool.
Do more of it
Lots of us only know about the blues/Auckland rugby from you guys.
Spread the word, inform.There's not a non Blues supporting kiwi rugby fan that doesn't slightly feel amused by your team at the moment- historical dominance will do that- but 5 strong franchises is desired.
There are a lot of case studies of super clubs coming good to utilise and it's rewarding for a fan when your team innovates and succeeds.
The whole Blues club need some innovation, but when?
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@gunner said in Blues v Jaguares:
Serious question here.
Who owns the Blues?
NZRU? Private Investors?
Provinces I know have a slice.If the NZRU have any brains they’d step in and get rid of the muppet show, and just put an end to this continuous failure.
The guys running the place now clearly just have no clue what they’re doing.
It was discussed here
http://www.thesilverfern.com/topic/2260/super-rugby-boards/6Private ownership (Bolton Group) 40% the unions 60%
@duluth said in Blues v Jaguares:
@gunner said in Blues v Jaguares:
Serious question here.
Who owns the Blues?
NZRU? Private Investors?
Provinces I know have a slice.If the NZRU have any brains they’d step in and get rid of the muppet show, and just put an end to this continuous failure.
The guys running the place now clearly just have no clue what they’re doing.
It was discussed here
http://www.thesilverfern.com/topic/2260/super-rugby-boards/6Private ownership (Bolton Group) 40% the unions 60%
NZRU need to buy it back (undoubtedly at rock bottom price), clean it out, then make every single employment appointment themselves. And then ride the buggers for however long it takes to make the place at the very least respectable.
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@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
But seriously, where do we go from here? Do we give Umaga one more year (as painful as it sounds)? Who are the other viable options? I always felt that an assistant coach was the way to go for him before jumping into a head coach role and he has been somewhat found out at this level. I don't think the guy is a terrible coach, I just feel that he has taken one of the toughest gigs in the world too early in his career and has been exposed badly this season. Everyone wants to be a top level coach, but coaching the Blues is not a job for rookies and Umaga has probably ruined his coaching career by jumping into this role.
It's very important for us to employ someone who has done the rounds as our next coach, not an ex AB looking to get into the coaching game if we move on from Umaga. I've heard Tom Coventry mentioned and I personally could live with an appointment like that but knowing our board, well go with another celebrity type name and have someone like Keven Mealamu take over,
@african-monkey said in Blues v Jaguares:
@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
Nah, more the highlanders are a good example of being utter shit to finals contenders with a large scale organisational change and some patience and realistic vision.
I'd enjoy seeing the blues come good, but a new coach alone won't do that
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@duluth said in Blues v Jaguares:
It's a fiction to claim that there hasn't been a discussion about the board, or that there has not been a significant amount of blame placed on the board.
Cool.
Do more of it
Lots of us only know about the blues/Auckland rugby from you guys.
Spread the word, inform.There's not a non Blues supporting kiwi rugby fan that doesn't slightly feel amused by your team at the moment- historical dominance will do that- but 5 strong franchises is desired.
There are a lot of case studies of super clubs coming good to utilise and it's rewarding for a fan when your team innovates and succeeds.
The whole Blues club need some innovation, but when?
@siam said in Blues v Jaguares:
Cool.
Do more of it
Lots of us only know about the blues/Auckland rugby from you guys.
Spread the word, inform.There's only so many hours in a day! Fair enough if you had missed it.
@siam said in Blues v Jaguares:
The whole Blues club need some innovation, but when?
Top to bottom clear out is needed as soon as possible. The Redman performance from earlier this week was gutting to watch. Excuses for everything, no responsibility taken for a single failing. There is lack of accountability at every single level.
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@siam said in Blues v Jaguares:
Cool.
Do more of it
Lots of us only know about the blues/Auckland rugby from you guys.
Spread the word, inform.There's only so many hours in a day! Fair enough if you had missed it.
@siam said in Blues v Jaguares:
The whole Blues club need some innovation, but when?
Top to bottom clear out is needed as soon as possible. The Redman performance from earlier this week was gutting to watch. Excuses for everything, no responsibility taken for a single failing. There is lack of accountability at every single level.
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@african-monkey said in Blues v Jaguares:
@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
Nah, more the highlanders are a good example of being utter shit to finals contenders with a large scale organisational change and some patience and realistic vision.
I'd enjoy seeing the blues come good, but a new coach alone won't do that
@siam Haha I wouldn't take that comment I made too seriously. It's a comment you get from a supporter that supports a team that has made 2 finals appearances in 15 years.
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@african-monkey said in Blues v Jaguares:
@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
Nah, more the highlanders are a good example of being utter shit to finals contenders with a large scale organisational change and some patience and realistic vision.
I'd enjoy seeing the blues come good, but a new coach alone won't do that
@siam said in Blues v Jaguares:
@african-monkey said in Blues v Jaguares:
@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
Nah, more the highlanders are a good example of being utter shit to finals contenders with a large scale organisational change and some patience and realistic vision.
I'd enjoy seeing the blues come good, but a new coach alone won't do that
There have been plenty of posts about the Blues backroom, it’s clearly their fault.
That doesn’t mean we can’t criticise the coach. It’s also annoying to read no criticism of Tana in the press. He’s obviously a nice guy, and is an AB legend, but other coaches with better records have been on the end of much sterner public examinations.
Everyone just seems to shrug and go oh well.
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@siam said in Blues v Jaguares:
@african-monkey said in Blues v Jaguares:
@siam Yep we will thank you very much. The way you carry on about your team you'd think they've won more than the 1 title.
Nah, more the highlanders are a good example of being utter shit to finals contenders with a large scale organisational change and some patience and realistic vision.
I'd enjoy seeing the blues come good, but a new coach alone won't do that
There have been plenty of posts about the Blues backroom, it’s clearly their fault.
That doesn’t mean we can’t criticise the coach. It’s also annoying to read no criticism of Tana in the press. He’s obviously a nice guy, and is an AB legend, but other coaches with better records have been on the end of much sterner public examinations.
Everyone just seems to shrug and go oh well.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Blues v Jaguares:
Any lawyers in the house? Have to wonder if NZRU are looking at legal options re: professional negligence by the private "owner/operators" and looking into possibility of putting the franchise into administration. Fine by me.
Reporting for duty.
Seems unlikely to be honest. Would depend on what the legal arrangement is between NZR and the Blues. However I think you'd have to have clear cut financial malfeasance before that was an option. I doubt just picking a couple of bad coaches in a row would not cut it, especially considering the NZR probably had some guidance in those decisions anyway.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
Apisai had a stormer for the B team last week!!
Haha said by no one who actually watched that game.
@northlandallday said in Blues v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
Apisai had a stormer for the B team last week!!
Haha said by no one who actually watched that game.
Ha, sorry, Yea I was being sarcastic....
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@kirwan said in Blues v Jaguares:
Don’t Auckland and North Harbour control 60% anyway?
IIRC of the 60% Auckland owns about 40%, NH 14% and Northland 6%.
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@northlandallday said in Blues v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
Apisai had a stormer for the B team last week!!
Haha said by no one who actually watched that game.
Ha, sorry, Yea I was being sarcastic....
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
@northlandallday said in Blues v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
Apisai had a stormer for the B team last week!!
Haha said by no one who actually watched that game.
Ha, sorry, Yea I was being sarcastic....
That's why I was laughing.
Can't believe Apisai over Moulds, what a b/$!t selection. I'd be starting Moulds over Parsons. Especially when Pulu is back in the captaincy role. Give Parsons some time to reflect on his game. -
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
@northlandallday said in Blues v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Jaguares:
Apisai had a stormer for the B team last week!!
Haha said by no one who actually watched that game.
Ha, sorry, Yea I was being sarcastic....
That's why I was laughing.
Can't believe Apisai over Moulds, what a b/$!t selection. I'd be starting Moulds over Parsons. Especially when Pulu is back in the captaincy role. Give Parsons some time to reflect on his game.@northlandallday so as Moulds was not allowed to play club rugby this weekend, will he have done enough to get back in the team next week...?
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@northlandallday so as Moulds was not allowed to play club rugby this weekend, will he have done enough to get back in the team next week...?
@taniwharugby
You'd have to say on the way selections have been made, Yes! Not playing v playing badly? -
I don't know if anyone else has read the Hinton article about last night's game but Umaga was none too impressed that the players didn't follow the gameplan in the 2nd half with the wind behind them. Either the players don't have any respect for the coaches or this demonstrates a clear lack of leadership and rugby nous from Parsons, Ruru/Pulu, Perofeta etc. Or both.
Either way, the situation is dire.
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I don't know if anyone else has read the Hinton article about last night's game but Umaga was none too impressed that the players didn't follow the gameplan in the 2nd half with the wind behind them. Either the players don't have any respect for the coaches or this demonstrates a clear lack of leadership and rugby nous from Parsons, Ruru/Pulu, Perofeta etc. Or both.
Either way, the situation is dire.
@bovidae yep that a major point from that game, it was quite obvious of the plan at half time as the Ass Coach mentioned it, then they didnt follow it...cant blame the coach for that, but you gotta ask why didnt they follow it? Dont trust coaches plan? PLayers just dumb? JUst inability to think on thier feet to execute?
Think the lack of game awareness was highlighted by Parsons when they luckily got the steal wel into extra time in the 1st half and they looked like they were gonna run it from behind thier line???
No direction or leadership in this franchise, right from the very top down.
