Blues v Chiefs
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment.
The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations"?That's fine. It's basically a "no comment" with an explanation.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure. Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb?
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb?
@Siam said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb?
No, because I’m not saying the ref should make more mistakes to even up another one.
That was a point about these mistakes happen, and We had been on the other side of it last week.
Should have been checked.
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@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure. Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
No
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
No
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
IMO (and I wasn't the only one), the decision on Sowakula's "try" was not pretty standard and was similar to Ofa's. Inconsistency.
I edited my initial response btw.
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Well you, and the “others” would be wrong. They checked it, he knocked it on. Nothing else to it really.
Unless you think the ref should have given it because he gave the Ofa one?
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
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@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
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@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO
The TMO had already said it was fine.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
No, seems like a fair summary of your post.
TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO
The TMO had already said it was fine.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
No, seems like a fair summary of your post.
TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
No, seems like a fair summary of your post.
TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion
I'll remind you the next time you don't agree with the ref and/or TMO.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
No, seems like a fair summary of your post.
TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion
I'll remind you the next time you don't agree with the ref and/or TMO.
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
No, seems like a fair summary of your post.
TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion
I'll remind you the next time you don't agree with the ref and/or TMO.
You’ll need to form a line.
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@antipodean Still, both situations should have been treated the same way.
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean Still, both situations should have been treated the same way.
They both had the TMO involved, just one was incorrect (IMO).
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I'm not sure what people's issue is with the Ofa try - he never lost possession - sure the ball moved - but he maintained possession the whole time - that's not a knock on. Clear try.
