Blues v Chiefs

[Stargazer]

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.

Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?

Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.

It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.

Yes

Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.

No

[Kirwan]

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.

Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?

Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.

It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.

Yes

Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.

That's better.

Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.

[Stargazer]

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.

Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?

Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.

It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.

Yes

Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.

That's better.

Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.

IMO (and I wasn't the only one), the decision on Sowakula's "try" was not pretty standard and was similar to Ofa's. Inconsistency.

I edited my initial response btw.

[Kirwan]

Well you, and the “others” would be wrong. They checked it, he knocked it on. Nothing else to it really.

Unless you think the ref should have given it because he gave the Ofa one?

[Chris]

Colin Coopers thoughts on two of the tries or non tries
Asked to clarify, Cooper said Tu'ungafasi had "clearly knocked on" and Sowakula told him after the game he had regathered the ball before he grounded it and was puzzled why his try wasn't awarded.

[Stargazer]

@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.

[Kirwan]

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.

Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.

And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.

[Stargazer]

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.

Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.

You're putting words in my mouth.

And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.

Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.

[antipodean]

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO

The TMO had already said it was fine.

[Kirwan]

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.

Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.

You're putting words in my mouth.

And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.

Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.

No, seems like a fair summary of your post.

TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion

[Stargazer]

@antipodean Still, both situations should have been treated the same way.

[Stargazer]

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.

Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.

You're putting words in my mouth.

And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.

Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.

No, seems like a fair summary of your post.

TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion

I'll remind you the next time you don't agree with the ref and/or TMO.

[Kirwan]

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.

Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.

You're putting words in my mouth.

And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.

Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.

No, seems like a fair summary of your post.

TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion

I'll remind you the next time you don't agree with the ref and/or TMO.

You’ll need to form a line.

[antipodean]

@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:

@antipodean Still, both situations should have been treated the same way.

They both had the TMO involved, just one was incorrect (IMO).

[KiwiMurph]

I'm not sure what people's issue is with the Ofa try - he never lost possession - sure the ball moved - but he maintained possession the whole time - that's not a knock on. Clear try.

[Yeetyaah]

@KiwiMurph Sure but the Sowakula try was the same and he went upstairs and disallowed it.

[KiwiMurph]

@Yeetyaah actually its not quite the same - for the Sowakula one the ball hits Akira's head between when he loses it and when he regathers.

[Dice]

Ugly win, but I guess I'll take that.

Good effort by the starting props to go 80.

Nice games by the two youngsters, Clarke and Plummer. Can Foxy come and help Plummer out with goal kicking though?

We'll need to play far better next week just to be competitive with the Crusaders.

[taniwharugby]

late to this, but Sam Cane!!

That is all.

[African Monkey]

@Dice I guess there's no pressure on us to get anything next week so I wouldn't be suprised if we run them close maybe even get a losing bonus point. Can't see us winning however.