Blues v Bulls
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Thought Plummer was good, that last kick aside, he doesn't lack for confidence or heart when taking the ball to the line. He just needs a helping hand from his half-back! A.nd more protection from his forwards. A general awareness of where players are on the field from the Blues would also be good rather thn passes to Mr Sideline.
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Why the fuck was Plummer kicking for the win? If there is one thing Black has on Plummer it is goal kicking. Dumb.
@pukunui said in Blues v Bulls:
Why the fuck was Plummer kicking for the win? If there is one thing Black has on Plummer it is goal kicking. Dumb.
I actually feel for the kid. He was trying to step up and take responsibility rather than throw the onus back onto his forwards.
Leadership should have stepped in and taken that responsibility off him considering he was hacking the ball. When the ball takes those harsh late turns you know that the kicker isn't striking sweetly or following through properly.
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@taniwharugby I thought Nock was the only half back this year to demonstrate the skills the Blues are looking for. Sure that he will pick up a contract for next year.
@kev problem is, such limited minutes to show his wares this season (when you consider his form prior to those 2 games) even if he has a blinder for Northland...guess this is the drawback of signing kids out of school rather than letting them develop and mature against the wiley veterans in club footy (who are no longer there either)
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Hindsight is all well and good regarding Plummer being the one to take the shot but he'd been kicking all night and actually nailed the conversion from the same side of the field earlier.
Otere coming in cold to take the kick i'm not sure was the answer.
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@pukunui said in Blues v Bulls:
Why the fuck was Plummer kicking for the win? If there is one thing Black has on Plummer it is goal kicking. Dumb.
I actually feel for the kid. He was trying to step up and take responsibility rather than throw the onus back onto his forwards.
Leadership should have stepped in and taken that responsibility off him considering he was hacking the ball. When the ball takes those harsh late turns you know that the kicker isn't striking sweetly or following through properly.
As a former kicker himself Rangi should have known that and sent the message down.@Crucial Yep, agree totally. Plummer is young and green, but he has the vision and committment. Leadership was key in those last few minutes and was a contributing factor in having the win snatched from them. Patty T will hopefully learn a lot from that.
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@pukunui said in Blues v Bulls:
Why the fuck was Plummer kicking for the win? If there is one thing Black has on Plummer it is goal kicking. Dumb.
I actually feel for the kid. He was trying to step up and take responsibility rather than throw the onus back onto his forwards.
Leadership should have stepped in and taken that responsibility off him considering he was hacking the ball. When the ball takes those harsh late turns you know that the kicker isn't striking sweetly or following through properly.
As a former kicker himself Rangi should have known that and sent the message down.@Crucial I had no problem with him going for points. Our season's virtually over anyway and the only way for him to get better in situations like these are by continuing to go for it. If you have a chance to win a game with a penalty kick ou always go for it imo.
Who's to say that we wouldn't have butchered the lineout anyway?
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Hindsight is all well and good regarding Plummer being the one to take the shot but he'd been kicking all night and actually nailed the conversion from the same side of the field earlier.
Otere coming in cold to take the kick i'm not sure was the answer.
@KiwiMurph Yup, hindsight is a wonderful thing. He'd be a hero if he managed to nail the kick but such is life.
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A team with fresher players on the field would probably be less likely to make as many handling errors, and could probably play to a pattern better.
My biggest criticism of MacDonald is his reluctance to use the bench, and more so his lack of squad management.
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So what halfback have the Blues brought in as 3rd since Nock is out?
Might as well give him a run.
@KiwiMurph Lewis Gjaltema?
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I think you are all making excuses for Plummer.
Thought he had a reasonable game general play wise.
To be fair Eden Park is his home ground and I would imagine he gets to practice on this ground, his last kick had the yips about it.
Come the hour, come the man..can think of many examples of players who have stepped up and nailed kicks...a very young Josh Ioane nailing a penalty from a wide angle in the Mitre 10 cup semi final last year..
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I think you are all making excuses for Plummer.
Thought he had a reasonable game general play wise.
To be fair Eden Park is his home ground and I would imagine he gets to practice on this ground, his last kick had the yips about it.
Come the hour, come the man..can think of many examples of players who have stepped up and nailed kicks...a very young Josh Ioane nailing a penalty from a wide angle in the Mitre 10 cup semi final last year..
It’s moments like these that define a player moving forward.@Steven-Harris Plummer has done it before too. His wide conversion in the rain tied the Mitre 10 Cup final allowing it to go to overtime.
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@Steven-Harris Plummer has done it before too. His wide conversion in the rain tied the Mitre 10 Cup final allowing it to go to overtime.
@KiwiMurph which makes his 2 misses against the Saders in the first game of the season and let’s face it very kickable shots those 2 ,add in tonight’s miss even more unacceptable...has he got what it takes at super rugby level in terms of temperament when put in a clutch situation..?
Forgot to mention 55% kicking success rate..unacceptable in my book.
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A team with fresher players on the field would probably be less likely to make as many handling errors, and could probably play to a pattern better.
My biggest criticism of MacDonald is his reluctance to use the bench, and more so his lack of squad management.
@Tim said in Blues v Bulls:
A team with fresher players on the field would probably be less likely to make as many handling errors, and could probably play to a pattern better.
My biggest criticism of MacDonald is his reluctance to use the bench, and more so his lack of squad management.
This.
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@KiwiMurph which makes his 2 misses against the Saders in the first game of the season and let’s face it very kickable shots those 2 ,add in tonight’s miss even more unacceptable...has he got what it takes at super rugby level in terms of temperament when put in a clutch situation..?
Forgot to mention 55% kicking success rate..unacceptable in my book.
@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Bulls:
@KiwiMurph which makes his 2 misses against the Saders in the first game of the season and let’s face it very kickable shots those 2 ,add in tonight’s miss even more unacceptable...has he got what it takes at super rugby level in terms of temperament when put in a clutch situation..?
Forgot to mention 55% kicking success rate..unacceptable in my book.
2 misses against the 2 time defending champions in his Super Rugby debut?
Ok?
He's a 20 year old rookie thrust into starting.
FFS can we just let the kid settle for a season before throwing him to the wolves.
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End of the day, I expect Black or Plummer to be able to step up and kick that goal. If you have to go for the lineout because you can't rely on your ten, that isn't good. If you can't kick that goal reliably, you should be as good as Beauden Barrett.
@hydro11 Curwin Bosh who is only 22 has had kicking success rate around the mid eighties for the last 3 seasons ..If Plummer is to define himself as a top class pivot ,he needs to be much better than 55%..Perofeta as a 20 year old was copping the same criticism for inconsistent goal kicking..regardless of age ,if goal kicking is part of your repertoire, make it count..
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@hydro11 Curwin Bosh who is only 22 has had kicking success rate around the mid eighties for the last 3 seasons ..If Plummer is to define himself as a top class pivot ,he needs to be much better than 55%..Perofeta as a 20 year old was copping the same criticism for inconsistent goal kicking..regardless of age ,if goal kicking is part of your repertoire, make it count..
I rest my case...@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Bulls:
@hydro11 Curwin Bosh who is only 22 has had kicking success rate around the mid eighties for the last 3 seasons ..If Plummer is to define himself as a top class pivot ,he needs to be much better than 55%..Perofeta as a 20 year old was copping the same criticism for inconsistent goal kicking..regardless of age ,if goal kicking is part of your repertoire, make it count..
I rest my case...I don't really understand why a 25 year old should be a better goal kicker than a 20 year old. Plummer will be working a lot on his goal kicking I'm sure. I would have expected a talented young first-five to have done a lot of practice by the time he gets to 20. Hopefully Plummer gets the best coaches in the country and fixes whatever technical issue he has. I do expect a young player to have work ons but I'm just not convinced that goal kicking should be one of them.
