Northland vs BOP
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@Steven-Harris said in Northland vs BOP:
@taniwharugby it’s a real shame we can’t go outside the squad..maybe we have to look at the way we contract players moving forward ..we have played by the rules ,signing as many guys as we can before the season starts..,running HP programs during the season, it must be incredibly frustrating for the coaching management, especially if there is someone in the Dev squad playing well but because we have got to use the squad contracted players, what do you do..?,
At least if you did not have so many guys contracted ,you could either go back to someone in the Dev squad or loan player who is under used from another union..
Be interested to get someone else’s thoughts ...?From the Regulations:
2.2 The Playing 23 of any Premier Competition Union for the Premier Competition and the Ranfurly Shield shall consist only of Players who are: (a) Local Players in accordance with clause 3; (b) Loan Players in accordance with clause 4; (c) Returning New Zealand Players in accordance with clause 5; (d) Overseas Players in accordance with clause 6 provided that the combined number of Loan Players and Overseas Players does not exceed six (or four in a Non-Mandatory Challenge against a Heartland Championship Union). 2.3 A Player must become a party to a Provincial Union Contract or a Provincial Union Development Contract, in order to participate in the Premier Competition. (...)So a player in the match day 23 can be a player with a full or a development contract.
It can be a local player, but also a loan or returning player, as long as certain conditions are met.3 LOCAL PLAYERS 3.1 “Local Player” means a Player who: (a) is Registered with a club competing in a competition conducted under the control and jurisdiction of that Provincial Union; (b) has not been Registered with, or Played for, a club or other rugby organisation affiliated to another Provincial Union or national union after the Premier Competition Cut-Off Date (for the avoidance of doubt this will not include a Player playing only for a national representative team or touring team); (c) is not captured by another Provincial Union pursuant to the NZRU Player Movement Regulations; and (d) has completed a World Rugby Clearance etc etc etcFor Loan players to be eligible to play, a Loan Arrangement must be signed. This must happen in a particular time frame:
(f) the Loan Arrangement is entered into in accordance with the following time frames: (i) for a front row player, the Loan Arrangement is entered into before the Borrowing Provincial Union has played ten games in the current Premier Competition; or (ii) for a player other than a front row player, the Loan Arrangement is entered into before the Borrowing Provincial Union has played five games in the current Premier Competition. 4.2 (a) There is no limit upon the number of Players which a Provincial Union may lend or borrow but the Playing 23 of any Premier Competition Union may not include more than six Loan Players, provided that the combined number of Overseas Players and Loan Players does not exceed six.Exception:
4.3 A Player who is not a party to a Provincial Union Contract or Provincial Union Development Contract may enter into a Provincial Union Contract or Provincial Union Development Contract at any time. -
Unfortunately northland does not have enough class in the key positions that a team can be built around, out of the 7 key positions that i feel really matter, tight head prop, and lock, open side, half back, first five, wing and full back we cover 3 poss 4. We have potential but lack class in the others which then falls back on to the coaches to design the structures etc that will expose the teams full potential and make them competative which i dont feel is happening yet. Good structures wont dismantle under fatgue and pressure as easily as they are at the moment, i dont think fitness is an issue but it does look like some have put on too much mass which has slowed them down abit. Nock has been recieving some slack but he needs to get front foot ball to be affective, he seems to have to back track alot to make the rucks which becomes hard after a while. May still be worth a sneaky bet on them agsinst b.o.p its bound to happen sooner or later.
@Nath-Jac what do you think about changing the contracting structure..?, I would imagine you would still have to offer a full contract to a Super Rugby player..but for the player that your not 100% sure about or the one that wants to come to Northland but your not to sure about...apparently Northland gets a lot of CVs sent to the union ,but it would a big risk to fully contract someone on either or CV or a video..(that worked really well last time we treaded that path)..2 Argie props come to mind..be interested in thoughts as someone who has coached ..
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@Steven-Harris said in Northland vs BOP:
@taniwharugby it’s a real shame we can’t go outside the squad..maybe we have to look at the way we contract players moving forward ..we have played by the rules ,signing as many guys as we can before the season starts..,running HP programs during the season, it must be incredibly frustrating for the coaching management, especially if there is someone in the Dev squad playing well but because we have got to use the squad contracted players, what do you do..?,
At least if you did not have so many guys contracted ,you could either go back to someone in the Dev squad or loan player who is under used from another union..
Be interested to get someone else’s thoughts ...?From the Regulations:
2.2 The Playing 23 of any Premier Competition Union for the Premier Competition and the Ranfurly Shield shall consist only of Players who are: (a) Local Players in accordance with clause 3; (b) Loan Players in accordance with clause 4; (c) Returning New Zealand Players in accordance with clause 5; (d) Overseas Players in accordance with clause 6 provided that the combined number of Loan Players and Overseas Players does not exceed six (or four in a Non-Mandatory Challenge against a Heartland Championship Union). 2.3 A Player must become a party to a Provincial Union Contract or a Provincial Union Development Contract, in order to participate in the Premier Competition. (...)So a player in the match day 23 can be a player with a full or a development contract.
It can be a local player, but also a loan or returning player, as long as certain conditions are met.3 LOCAL PLAYERS 3.1 “Local Player” means a Player who: (a) is Registered with a club competing in a competition conducted under the control and jurisdiction of that Provincial Union; (b) has not been Registered with, or Played for, a club or other rugby organisation affiliated to another Provincial Union or national union after the Premier Competition Cut-Off Date (for the avoidance of doubt this will not include a Player playing only for a national representative team or touring team); (c) is not captured by another Provincial Union pursuant to the NZRU Player Movement Regulations; and (d) has completed a World Rugby Clearance etc etc etcFor Loan players to be eligible to play, a Loan Arrangement must be signed. This must happen in a particular time frame:
(f) the Loan Arrangement is entered into in accordance with the following time frames: (i) for a front row player, the Loan Arrangement is entered into before the Borrowing Provincial Union has played ten games in the current Premier Competition; or (ii) for a player other than a front row player, the Loan Arrangement is entered into before the Borrowing Provincial Union has played five games in the current Premier Competition. 4.2 (a) There is no limit upon the number of Players which a Provincial Union may lend or borrow but the Playing 23 of any Premier Competition Union may not include more than six Loan Players, provided that the combined number of Overseas Players and Loan Players does not exceed six.Exception:
4.3 A Player who is not a party to a Provincial Union Contract or Provincial Union Development Contract may enter into a Provincial Union Contract or Provincial Union Development Contract at any time.@Stargazer that’s a lot of red tape..probably explains why they stick with the squad .
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I have never seen this site so quiet. Usually we are angry but this year I sense utter despair. We should be over this crap. We have a much better talent pool than ever before. Yes we have injuries but before the injuries this we were hopeless - the backline that has been inept all season. So inept that the Coach(s) must be wondering if they will make the end of the season. As a fan of Northland rugby (always) you have to wonder where we go from here? Starts at the top....
Have to think that contracted players should have team performance clauses...which allow them to be dropped (retaining payment) and development players brought in.
Every team seems to have its year except for us.
@kev said in Northland vs BOP:
I have never seen this site so quiet. Usually we are angry but this year I sense utter despair. We should be over this crap. We have a much better talent pool than ever before. Yes we have injuries but before the injuries this we were hopeless - the backline that has been inept all season. So inept that the Coach(s) must be wondering if they will make the end of the season. As a fan of Northland rugby (always) you have to wonder where we go from here? Starts at the top....
Have to think that contracted players should have team performance clauses...which allow them to be dropped (retaining payment) and development players brought in.
Every team seems to have its year except for us.
Nailed it.
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to be honest I am not sure the contracting is the issue.
as @kev alludes to above, we have a good talent pool currently, I personally look at our squad and think fuck yeah we are in with a shot this year, but shit just aint happening.
Injuries are a big problem this season, but for me, it is more around how our guys are playing, no cohesion, seemingly not learning when shit aint working and making the same basic errors, although when your confidence is down, it will flow through to everything.
I cant see how a different contracting model would resolve our issues, if we didnt have such a long injury list, I thnk we would still be looking how we are playing, or maybe with the first string team, they would be able to implement whatever game plan the coaches are expecting?
@Nath-Jac on Nock, I have been critical of him, and I think our forwards have provided him a better platform than many Northland packs for years, my issue with him is his hesitancy when he gets to a ruck/maul or whatever.
He looks up, he takes a moment or so to assess his options, and this moment is detracting from the flow. Good 9s have better instincts than that, they arrive knowing what they are doing, not hesitating.
More so that more often than not, he passes it, so it isnt like his hesitation is putting oppositin in 2 minds about if he is to run/pass/kick, most of the time he passes.
I want him to be more assertive, back himself more, he has gas, a great pass, a great box kick, yet his hesitation negates his rapid pass, he doesnt use his running game enough and I guess our chase will determine how good his kicks are.
We have the cattle, whereas years before, we havent and have punched above with our flair.
I think they need to have a look at the HP systems, as I do believe our boys are unfit, often starting well and fading, so what is the HP system doing here, are they monitoring fitness, maybe targets need to be better, closer monitoriing?
I know they are working in a limited budget annd players are often juggling jobs with this too, but other provinces are finding ways to make it work, why cant we?
I'd hate to go back to where were were 7+ years back where we were contracting players who turn up, play for us, and leave, fans showed what they thought of that.
Sure have players form elsewhere now, but these guys are playing club footy (unless Super rugby players) and I think despite our on field performances, crowd numbers look decent, imagine what they'd be like if we won some games!
@taniwharugby
Every thing you have written there is controlled by the coaches and trainers I think alot of the boys have gone backwards. I too was quite excited by this squad. But I think northland has well underperformed again for the 3rd year in a row.2017 should have done much better maybe won it.
2018 I believe rangers brilliance covered woefully coached backs.
This year has been dire besides set piece. -
Can we play the game already so that you lot can stop wallowing in mid-season misery?
I'm still not convinced by your page of laments that @taniwharugby isn't out there somewhere scurrying around trying to hide a container load of banana skins...
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Can we play the game already so that you lot can stop wallowing in mid-season misery?
I'm still not convinced by your page of laments that @taniwharugby isn't out there somewhere scurrying around trying to hide a container load of banana skins...
@Donsteppa are we only mid-season? faaaark!
I am undecided if I tip 17+ again this week....or be optimistic and go 8-16
PLus, you can blame @Duluth for the software update that this appears here and not tucked away in the depths of the Northland forum!!
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My main worry for this game is that it is the first we've played this season where we are not only expected to win but expected to win easily. 13+ to us is the favoured result at the TAB. I worry that we will stop doing the hard work that has got us into this position (especially in defence) and may also be tempted to rotate too much.
{Banana skin emoji}
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Team to face BOP:
Tu'ungafasi, Atkins, Straker
Sweetman, Caird
McNamara, Matich, Matiu
Nock, Debreczeni
Hohaia, Johnson
Rae, Roberts-Te Nana, GregoryBench: Hyde, Te Whata-Colley, Wright, Funaki, Stokes, Levien, Smith, Leilua
Injured: Ranger, Robinson, Goodhue, Hawkins, Brynes, Olsen, Jacobson, Mayanavanua, Tua
Sigh, back to the Hohaia-Johnson mid-field.
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Perhaps just award us the five points right now - so that we don’t interrupt the demise of the Northland Union with match day posts?
EDIT: too late, I see a team naming post has broken out!
@Donsteppa I started this in the Northland forum, I can talk about what I want, BITCH...go start your own thread if you dont like it!
But yeah, 5 points, take it now!
See I did talk about the match 2 posts up :up_arrow:
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@Donsteppa I started this in the Northland forum, I can talk about what I want, BITCH...go start your own thread if you dont like it!
But yeah, 5 points, take it now!
See I did talk about the match 2 posts up :up_arrow:
@taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:
@Donsteppa I started this in the Northland forum, I can talk about what I want, BITCH...go start your own thread if you dont like it!
But yeah, 5 points, take it now!
See I did talk about the match 2 posts up :up_arrow:
Like a Mafia cares about matters of home forum when you keep gatecrashing my unread posts feed
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@taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:
@Donsteppa I started this in the Northland forum, I can talk about what I want, BITCH...go start your own thread if you dont like it!
But yeah, 5 points, take it now!
See I did talk about the match 2 posts up :up_arrow:
Like a Mafia cares about matters of home forum when you keep gatecrashing my unread posts feed
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@Donsteppa not a real mafia! :
@taniwharugby said in Northland vs BOP:
@Donsteppa not a real mafia! :
Yep, a Mafia too lazy to maintain a website these days...
The Manawatu win over Canterbury still has me looking for those banana skins. We’ve lost to you lot too many times to take anything for granted... (but if you’d like to hand over the points now, we’d be very happy
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Team to face BOP:
Tu'ungafasi, Atkins, Straker
Sweetman, Caird
McNamara, Matich, Matiu
Nock, Debreczeni
Hohaia, Johnson
Rae, Roberts-Te Nana, GregoryBench: Hyde, Te Whata-Colley, Wright, Funaki, Stokes, Levien, Smith, Leilua
Injured: Ranger, Robinson, Goodhue, Hawkins, Brynes, Olsen, Jacobson, Mayanavanua, Tua
Sigh, back to the Hohaia-Johnson mid-field.
@taniwharugby after seeing the Turbos tear the form book after last night..hoping the boys take some inspiration from that result..one thing that always impresses me about Taniwha supporters on this forum ,like their supporters who turn up to games , they never shy away wether they win or lose and are always open to a debate .
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@taniwharugby after seeing the Turbos tear the form book after last night..hoping the boys take some inspiration from that result..one thing that always impresses me about Taniwha supporters on this forum ,like their supporters who turn up to games , they never shy away wether they win or lose and are always open to a debate .
@Steven-Harris I know one who had the sulks last Friday, but luckily he will be there on Sunday!!
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Check out the reserve lock.
Bay of Plenty: 1: Aidan Ross 2: Nathan Vella 3: Ross Geldenhuys 4: Aaron Carroll 5: Baden Wardlaw 6: Hugh Blake 7: Ajay Lafaele-Mua 8: Hoani Matenga 9: Richard Judd 10: Kaleb Trask 11: Fa’siu Fuatai 12: Chase Tiatia 13: Mathew Skipwith-Garland 14: Emoni Narawa 15: Cole Forbes
Reserves: Kurt Eklund, Tevita Mafileo, Jeff Thwaites, Tom Franklin, Mitchell Karpik, Leroy Carter, Jason Robertson, Joseva Ravouvou -
Check out the reserve lock.
Bay of Plenty: 1: Aidan Ross 2: Nathan Vella 3: Ross Geldenhuys 4: Aaron Carroll 5: Baden Wardlaw 6: Hugh Blake 7: Ajay Lafaele-Mua 8: Hoani Matenga 9: Richard Judd 10: Kaleb Trask 11: Fa’siu Fuatai 12: Chase Tiatia 13: Mathew Skipwith-Garland 14: Emoni Narawa 15: Cole Forbes
Reserves: Kurt Eklund, Tevita Mafileo, Jeff Thwaites, Tom Franklin, Mitchell Karpik, Leroy Carter, Jason Robertson, Joseva Ravouvou@Snollygoster Woohoo!!!
Chase Tiatia at 12 is... interesting.
