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North vs South

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  • KiwiwombleK Online
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    Kiwiwomble
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    #204

    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/north-vs-south-all-blacks-playmaker-josh-ioane-admits-being-torn-over-playing-for-south-island/?fbclid=IwAR0ye0Te2VJLzqZLaV-FzUV7y-Z806odt76vru-YnhmTphliwr7Mj-Z6rAM

    obviously didn't do a hell of a lot of consultation with "top" players

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    • BovidaeB Offline
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      Bovidae
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      Of course not!

      This was always going to be an exercise in finding the selection criteria that maximised the number of players they (the AB selectors) wanted to be playing in the game.

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      • pukunuiP Offline
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        #206

        If these guys were so connected to their roots maybe they should have signed for their home provinces in the first place.

        All levels of rugby have artificial movement of players. Lines could be drawn all over the place and there would always be people on the “wrong” side of it.

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        • nzzpN nzzp

          @KiwiMurph that's really cool, but I just cannot get excited about it at all. Seems way to artificial.

          A trial match, on the other hand, I'd be on like kong

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          #207

          @nzzp said in North vs South:

          @KiwiMurph that's really cool, but I just cannot get excited about it at all. Seems way to artificial.

          A trial match, on the other hand, I'd be on like kong

          You don't remember the days of All Black trials do you ... ?

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          • M Offline
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            #208

            It's a trial by a different name, why is this any different from Prob vs Pos? Just, theoretically, a bit more even.

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            • pukunuiP pukunui

              If these guys were so connected to their roots maybe they should have signed for their home provinces in the first place.

              All levels of rugby have artificial movement of players. Lines could be drawn all over the place and there would always be people on the “wrong” side of it.

              KiwiwombleK Online
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              Kiwiwomble
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              #209

              @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

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              • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

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                pukunui
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                #210

                @Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:

                @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

                I understand that. It’s just a bit rich being happy to represent a province you aren’t from for money/career reason, then complaining about playing for that province making you eligible for the island that you aren’t form.

                Don’t be a mercenary in the first place.

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                • KiwiwombleK Online
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                  Kiwiwomble
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                  #211

                  i mean, its their job. dont get me wrong, i love it when local boys come through, i even learnt forgive Tony brown and Ben smith for being kings boys...but if their local team is stacked in their position i dont blame them for looking elsewhere

                  I only resent Richie McCaw slightly for deserting Otago

                  I kind of like that this game is seen by players in this way, makes me think it might mean a bit more to them...just a pity some arent getting to play for the team they consider theirs

                  I think just asking all the plaers to declare who they wanted to represent could have been interesting

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    i mean, its their job. dont get me wrong, i love it when local boys come through, i even learnt forgive Tony brown and Ben smith for being kings boys...but if their local team is stacked in their position i dont blame them for looking elsewhere

                    I only resent Richie McCaw slightly for deserting Otago

                    I kind of like that this game is seen by players in this way, makes me think it might mean a bit more to them...just a pity some arent getting to play for the team they consider theirs

                    I think just asking all the plaers to declare who they wanted to represent could have been interesting

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                    taniwharugby
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                    @Kiwiwomble maybe ask players to say which they prefer and why (in 100 words or less haha) as I am sure people have other deeper affiliations to places...am sure it would end up being as 'even' as any other kind of criteria

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                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                      @Kiwiwomble maybe ask players to say which they prefer and why (in 100 words or less haha) as I am sure people have other deeper affiliations to places...am sure it would end up being as 'even' as any other kind of criteria

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                      Kiwiwomble
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                      #213

                      @taniwharugby it wouldn't have to be lame, they could have made it a "thing", groups of players announcing their affiliation in the weeks building up to it, as people announce rugby tragics like us would have re calc who we thought wold be in each team etc

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                        voodoo
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                        #214

                        They should have done it the way the NBA All Star game is done now. Announce 2 captains, I guess Sam Cane and one other (maybe the highest capped player), then let them select their teams player by player, school yard style. Imagine the TV audience in NZ for that draft?

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                        • voodooV voodoo

                          They should have done it the way the NBA All Star game is done now. Announce 2 captains, I guess Sam Cane and one other (maybe the highest capped player), then let them select their teams player by player, school yard style. Imagine the TV audience in NZ for that draft?

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                          Kiwiwomble
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                          #215

                          @voodoo that would be cool

                          love it if they stuffed up and ended up having to stick a loosie on the wing or something

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                          • M Machpants

                            It's a trial by a different name, why is this any different from Prob vs Pos? Just, theoretically, a bit more even.

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                            @Machpants said in North vs South:

                            It's a trial by a different name, why is this any different from Prob vs Pos? Just, theoretically, a bit more even.

                            Because they were dull boring uninteresting grinds.

                            At least this has something to generate some sort of parochialism.

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                            • pukunuiP pukunui

                              @Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:

                              @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

                              I understand that. It’s just a bit rich being happy to represent a province you aren’t from for money/career reason, then complaining about playing for that province making you eligible for the island that you aren’t form.

                              Don’t be a mercenary in the first place.

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                              Stargazer
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                              #217

                              @pukunui said in North vs South:

                              @Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:

                              @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

                              I understand that. It’s just a bit rich being happy to represent a province you aren’t from for money/career reason, then complaining about playing for that province making you eligible for the island that you aren’t form.

                              Don’t be a mercenary in the first place.

                              Players from small provinces without the education (for example, universities) or employment they are looking for if they don't get signed straight out of school, will look for that education/employment elsewhere, usually one of the main centres. That's - for example - how Weber and Evans ended up in Dunedin and started their playing career for Otago. There's no way you could call players, who leave their home province to go to uni, "mercenaries".

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                              • pukunuiP pukunui

                                @Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:

                                @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

                                I understand that. It’s just a bit rich being happy to represent a province you aren’t from for money/career reason, then complaining about playing for that province making you eligible for the island that you aren’t form.

                                Don’t be a mercenary in the first place.

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                                Bones
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                                #218

                                @pukunui said in North vs South:

                                @Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:

                                @pukunui ....getting signed by a province isn't just up to the player...if so i'd be currently signed up to a pretty generous contract with Otago and the Highlanders

                                I understand that. It’s just a bit rich being happy to represent a province you aren’t from for money/career reason, then complaining about playing for that province making you eligible for the island that you aren’t form.

                                Don’t be a mercenary in the first place.

                                Like SG says, that doesn't really work out so well if you want to get a tertiary education and not lose your rugby skills does it?

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                                  #219

                                  All Blacks vs NZ Barbarians would have been great.

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                                    Crucial
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                                    #220

                                    This game is a forgone conclusion anyway. SI get Weber.

                                    :crazy_face:
                                    :face_with_hand_over_mouth: :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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                                      #221

                                      NI backrow/loose forwards roster is stacked. Too stacked for its own good.

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        This game is a forgone conclusion anyway. SI get Weber.

                                        :crazy_face:
                                        :face_with_hand_over_mouth: :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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                                        Yeetyaah
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                                        #222

                                        @Crucial in contrast the north get McKenzie.

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                                        • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

                                          @Crucial in contrast the north get McKenzie.

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                                          @Yeetyaah said in North vs South:

                                          @Crucial in contrast the north get McKenzie.

                                          we don't have to play him though ...

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