Best Test XI - General chat
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Since it's been 5 years since we last did this, and the old thread was lost forever when the forum software was updated, I thought this was worth re-visiting.
Here's how it's going to work. Feel free to disagree/critique/offer advise on how it should or could be done better. I do however reserve the right to completely ignore you if I don't agree
We'll start with nominations for each category.
Nominations require a summary as to why they're being nominated/why people should vote for them.Categories are:
Opening Batsmen (2 choices)
Batsmen (4 choices)
Keeper (1 choice)
Bowlers (4 choices)A couple of points that may be contentious.
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There will be no allrounder category.
As this is a best ever team, we can assume 4 bowlers will be enough to take 20 wickets. -
No specialist spinner category.
I know until recently it's been pretty rare that we go into a test without a spinner. But I think we'll just let the individual decide if they include a spinner in their final line-up.
Someone can be nominated in more than one category, for example Brendan McCullum could receive nominations for both batsmen and keeper category, or Chris Cairns as both a batsmen or bowler.
If someone receives enough votes in more than one category to make the final team in those categories, they will fill the spot that they have the higher number of votes in. Their place in the other category will go to the person with the next highest number of votes.That's all I can think of, we'll deal with any issues that crop up along the way.
Nomination threads to follow shortly, happy nominating.
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Since it's been 5 years since we last did this, and the old thread was lost forever when the forum software was updated, I thought this was worth re-visiting.
Here's how it's going to work. Feel free to disagree/critique/offer advise on how it should or could be done better. I do however reserve the right to completely ignore you if I don't agree
We'll start with nominations for each category.
Nominations require a summary as to why they're being nominated/why people should vote for them.Categories are:
Opening Batsmen (2 choices)
Batsmen (4 choices)
Keeper (1 choice)
Bowlers (4 choices)A couple of points that may be contentious.
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There will be no allrounder category.
As this is a best ever team, we can assume 4 bowlers will be enough to take 20 wickets. -
No specialist spinner category.
I know until recently it's been pretty rare that we go into a test without a spinner. But I think we'll just let the individual decide if they include a spinner in their final line-up.
Someone can be nominated in more than one category, for example Brendan McCullum could receive nominations for both batsmen and keeper category, or Chris Cairns as both a batsmen or bowler.
If someone receives enough votes in more than one category to make the final team in those categories, they will fill the spot that they have the higher number of votes in. Their place in the other category will go to the person with the next highest number of votes.That's all I can think of, we'll deal with any issues that crop up along the way.
Nomination threads to follow shortly, happy nominating.
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
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is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
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@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
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is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
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@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
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is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
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is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
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@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
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is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
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is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
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@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
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are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
You can’t please everyone on the fern
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
I can’t fathom this. You have one of THE best all rounders of all time. Pick him as an all rounder and base your balance around that.
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@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
I can’t fathom this. You have one of THE best all rounders of all time. Pick him as an all rounder and base your balance around that.
@Catogrande said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
I can’t fathom this. You have one of THE best all rounders of all time. Pick him as an all rounder and base your balance around that.
I think we need all rounders as options ( although Paddles and Dan are obviously best seamer and spinner respectively )
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Clarrie Grimmett and Ben Stokes, two of the greatest Cricketers of All Time. Both were born in New Zealand but played for other Test sides. Are they eligible for your team?
@sparky said in Best Test XI - General chat:
Clarrie Grimmett and Ben Stokes, two of the greatest Cricketers of All Time. Both were born in New Zealand but played for other Test sides. Are they eligible for your team?
If Cairns can't make it as a batter or bowler alone then this guy is no fucken chance.
He's also a ranga who plays for England.
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@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@Gunner cheers fella,
key questions in these for me are always:
-
are we picking the best XI players, or the best team? Combinations do matter (openers; left/right variation in bowlers, for instance) and could tip the balance of tight selections
-
is this 'whole career' or 'peak few seasons'? Asking because Bond, y'know...
It’s the best players first, team balance second.
The final voting will come down to a bit of personal preference with team balance, for instance
the spinner/no spinner scenario.That probably doesn’t help much
The whole six batsmen thing irks me a bit cos it means I theoretically can’t put in a keeper/batsman or all rounder. I’m not gonna pick Astle or McMillan just cos they were occasionally useful bowlers to balance the side.
I hear ya.
From memory, last time I started off including an allrounder, but pretty much got crucified so we did away with it.
I can’t fathom this. You have one of THE best all rounders of all time. Pick him as an all rounder and base your balance around that.
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Hadlee's the all rounder. @MN5 has wood for Cairns and wants to update our bits and pieces team of the early 90's by including more
@dogmeat said in Best Test XI - General chat:
Hadlee's the all rounder. @MN5 has wood for Cairns and wants to update our bits and pieces team of the early 90's by including more
fuck yes, i'm making it like our old ODI teams where no one averaged more than 35 with the bat, but damn ear everyone could bowl
that's real NZ cricket.
And to ram home my point, those teams won exactly as many world cups as our really good team we have now, with real batsmen and real bowlers and shit.
And they are playing in teal
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also, do we really need the nominations threads? This isn't like the ABs, we only have a couple of guys in the conversation really.
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also, do we really need the nominations threads? This isn't like the ABs, we only have a couple of guys in the conversation really.
@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - General chat:
also, do we really need the nominations threads? This isn't like the ABs, we only have a couple of guys in the conversation really.
Yeah off the top of my head I think we have about six guys who walk in.
No I don’t include Cairns in this list before you have a go....
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@mariner4life said in Best Test XI - General chat:
also, do we really need the nominations threads? This isn't like the ABs, we only have a couple of guys in the conversation really.
Yeah off the top of my head I think we have about six guys who walk in.
No I don’t include Cairns in this list before you have a go....
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@MN5 I reckon 3,4,5 and Hadlee are locked in. Everyone else is debatable even though it'll probably be pretty conclusive for most positions once voting starts.
@dogmeat said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 I reckon 3,4,5 and Hadlee are locked in. Everyone else is debatable even though it'll probably be pretty conclusive for most positions once voting starts.
I agree but I’d add Vettori. I also see the keeper role being between McCullum and Watling and no one else.
Latham has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons....some tough choices there.
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@MN5 I reckon 3,4,5 and Hadlee are locked in. Everyone else is debatable even though it'll probably be pretty conclusive for most positions once voting starts.
@dogmeat said in Best Test XI - General chat:
@MN5 I reckon 3,4,5 and Hadlee are locked in. Everyone else is debatable even though it'll probably be pretty conclusive for most positions once voting starts.
agree, but what i am saying is, there are maybe two options for each of the "not locked in" position, and we know who they are
