Hurricanes v Crusaders
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@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@arhs said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Campbell was much better than Hall too. Thought Whitelock and Bridge both went well.
For some reason, Hall looked really laboured out there.
Bridge started really well. I noticed him less as the game went on. Will Jordan was the opposite - which makes me wonder if they play the same role a bit much and Big Leicester is a better fit if Jordan is at fullback?
Maybe the converse when Havili is at fullback.
Leicester at centre was a real handful for the Canes defence. He always seems to beat the first tackle (or at the very least stand them up).
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@arhs said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Campbell was much better than Hall too. Thought Whitelock and Bridge both went well.
For some reason, Hall looked really laboured out there.
Bridge started really well. I noticed him less as the game went on. Will Jordan was the opposite - which makes me wonder if they play the same role a bit much and Big Leicester is a better fit if Jordan is at fullback?
Maybe the converse when Havili is at fullback.
Leicester at centre was a real handful for the Canes defence. He always seems to beat the first tackle (or at the very least stand them up).
Yeah. Liked him at 13
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@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
Been good enough in previous years. Super I'd his ceiling if he's playing to capacity and those around him are too.
I terms of 6/8 at the Sader's he's being Grace (even given second season syndrome). Bkackadder and Sanders. At least.
Good player, but just there only.
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@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
Thought Christie looked like he had some mongrel about him.
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@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@tim said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader Sione Havili is a good tackler but is more of a 6.5 type of player.
I agree. He’s active in defence but we need a bit more attack from our loosies.
His problem is that he isn't a pilfering threat at the breakdown and he doesn't feature with ball in hand. Which to be honest you could say the same about all our backrow options
@cantab79 said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@tim said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader Sione Havili is a good tackler but is more of a 6.5 type of player.
I agree. He’s active in defence but we need a bit more attack from our loosies.
His problem is that he isn't a pilfering threat at the breakdown and he doesn't feature with ball in hand. Which to be honest you could say the same about all our backrow options
Liked how Bkackadder had been carrying
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@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
A few years back Dunshea had a storming game for an invitation XV vs the B&I Lions, yet he's barely featured in the loose forwards since as far as I can recall. They're shifting SBarrett to 6.
He's been excellent from the bench the last couple of games has Dunshea.
Sanders should be better for his run.
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
A few years back Dunshea had a storming game for an invitation XV vs the B&I Lions, yet he's barely featured in the loose forwards since as far as I can recall. They're shifting SBarrett to 6.
He's been excellent from the bench the last couple of games has Dunshea.
Sanders should be better for his run.
Dunshea
Loose forwardsQue?
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@chris this is the Canes coaching mindset problem in a nutshell IMHO
Rayasi is dangerous, he's hard to defend. He can score tries, and create tries
We aren't go to win if we don't have players like this
That should overshadow any perceived work rate issue, which a good coach would be able to solve.
to be honest I haven't noticed this with Rayasi. Rayasi is not why we're losing and for Holland to mention this publicly is incredibly disappointing
He can't see problems which 99% of fans point out here and on Facebook each week
@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
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@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
@nogusta said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
Rayasi's contract expires after this SR season.
The Hurricanes are the franchise with the most player contracts expiring this year; quite a lot more than other franchises (disclaimer: as far as contract duration has been made public).
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@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
@nogusta said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
Holland sounds like a retard if that is the attitude.
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@nogusta said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
Holland sounds like a retard if that is the attitude.
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@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
@nogusta Hope he can find a gig somewhere where they will treat him better. Way too talented to not be playing regularly.
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@canes4life I thought Jordie was pretty good at 10 today!
I don't mind if he plays fullback - he's not fast enough to play wing.
Where the AB coaches have missed a trick, IMO, is shifting him around wing, first five and fullback - when if they were going to try any experiments with him - I'd love to see him playing 2nd five.
Size-wise he could play a sort of SBW game, with better kicking and probably passing skills.
However, if they put him there now - they'll look like they're really fucking him about.
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@canes4life I thought Jordie was pretty good at 10 today!
I don't mind if he plays fullback - he's not fast enough to play wing.
Where the AB coaches have missed a trick, IMO, is shifting him around wing, first five and fullback - when if they were going to try any experiments with him - I'd love to see him playing 2nd five.
Size-wise he could play a sort of SBW game, with better kicking and probably passing skills.
However, if they put him there now - they'll look like they're really fucking him about.
Couple of times I have seen him at 12 he has fairly good. Used to be his preferred position.
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@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
A few years back Dunshea had a storming game for an invitation XV vs the B&I Lions, yet he's barely featured in the loose forwards since as far as I can recall. They're shifting SBarrett to 6.
He's been excellent from the bench the last couple of games has Dunshea.
Sanders should be better for his run.
Dunshea
Loose forwardsQue?
@booboo said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
A few years back Dunshea had a storming game for an invitation XV vs the B&I Lions, yet he's barely featured in the loose forwards since as far as I can recall. They're shifting SBarrett to 6.
He's been excellent from the bench the last couple of games has Dunshea.
Sanders should be better for his run.
Dunshea
Loose forwardsQue?
I missed out the crucial point that he was playing No. 8 that day - and he was a stand out.
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@foobanz Rayasi is on the outer as they didn't like that he made himself available for the 7s last year and Holland hates a showboat. And hes been offered an extension (not sure how long hes currently signed for) but hasn't re-signed which has seen him slip down the pecking order.
@nogusta that's complete stupidity from Holland if that's the case
@Canes4life I hope they don't see Proctor there long term, he is good on D, but a lot of attacking plays die with him. Seems like one of those players who gets nervy when the line has been broken and throws a poor pass, or gets the dropsies / runs a bad support line when players try to find him
Hopefully we select IWL + Scrafton/Mitchell moving forward
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@booboo said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@act-crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@crazy-horse Douglas is a good NPC player and that’s it in my opinion.
We are missing Todd’s breakdown work and more importantly his link play. None of our current crop seem to support in attack.
A few years back Dunshea had a storming game for an invitation XV vs the B&I Lions, yet he's barely featured in the loose forwards since as far as I can recall. They're shifting SBarrett to 6.
He's been excellent from the bench the last couple of games has Dunshea.
Sanders should be better for his run.
Dunshea
Loose forwardsQue?
I missed out the crucial point that he was playing No. 8 that day - and he was a stand out.
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@bovidae It's slightly surprising how few of these guys have really kicked on given it should have been sort of a development team.
@chris-b Few? 11 are playing Super Rugby, 2 are playing Top League, 1 Top 14, 1 Top 10 (Italy), 2 are back playing NPC after stints in Japan, 1 has returned from MLR (thanks to Covid, so probably hopes to be back playing NPC), 1 has retired (having played SR etc), 1 has retired due to injury (career cut short), 1 (with 5 SR caps) was about to play in the SLAR, but then Covid happened, and 1 was a Heartland player who was never expected to play at a higher level than that. Basically, Inga Finau is the only one who didn't end up playing professionally, without injury preventing him from doing so.
Or did you expect all/most of them to become All Blacks? I certainly didn't, as they were selected from provincial teams, not SR franchises. In that case, one AB (Reece), one in the AB fringes (Dunshea) and one Maori AB (Lowe) is indeed few, but maybe you expected too much?
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@chris-b Few? 11 are playing Super Rugby, 2 are playing Top League, 1 Top 14, 1 Top 10 (Italy), 2 are back playing NPC after stints in Japan, 1 has returned from MLR (thanks to Covid, so probably hopes to be back playing NPC), 1 has retired (having played SR etc), 1 has retired due to injury (career cut short), 1 (with 5 SR caps) was about to play in the SLAR, but then Covid happened, and 1 was a Heartland player who was never expected to play at a higher level than that. Basically, Inga Finau is the only one who didn't end up playing professionally, without injury preventing him from doing so.
Or did you expect all/most of them to become All Blacks? I certainly didn't, as they were selected from provincial teams, not SR franchises. In that case, one AB (Reece), one in the AB fringes (Dunshea) and one Maori AB (Lowe) is indeed few, but maybe you expected too much?
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@stargazer I probably would have expected a few more ABs - BUT also a few more who are now genuine first choice players in their Super franchises.
Four years later and I'd say only Ross, Goodhue and Reece fall into that category.
@chris-b If you measure "kicking on" as becoming a "genuine" regular starter (I don't), then you're right, although Jager and Lowe may be on their way to join that group. Boshier, Dunshea and Makalio have the "bad luck" being stuck behind ABs, but would be first choice players in other teams.
Still, I think earning well-paid professional contracts is what the players themselves would consider a success, especially if they get to see something of the world outside NZ.
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@chris-b If you measure "kicking on" as becoming a "genuine" regular starter (I don't), then you're right, although Jager and Lowe may be on their way to join that group. Boshier, Dunshea and Makalio have the "bad luck" being stuck behind ABs, but would be first choice players in other teams.
Still, I think earning well-paid professional contracts is what the players themselves would consider a success, especially if they get to see something of the world outside NZ.
@stargazer You'll see that I wrote "really kicked on" and the really has meaning.
I'd imagine that the selectors of that team didn't just pull names out of the hat, but mainly picked guys they thought had genuine promise.
Not really reflecting on the players - but, if I was the selectors I'd be a bit disappointed at the outcomes to date.
However, it's subjective, so I can be disappointed and you not!
