Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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Both the SA and Lions teams are stronger all round than the SA 'A' side which beat the Lions last week.
I think the result will go the same way.
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THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
You can make an argument for each selection individually but equally or more so for some of the guys left out. What I don’t like is the balance over the back 5 forwards over the squad. You have Itoje, Lawes and Beirne who can all play lock or 6 but no cover at 8? Sure, Curry has played 8 for England and played well but really just played his usual game.
Not convinced.
Oh and memo to Josh Adams: must try harder. A few tries might help.
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@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
You can make an argument for each selection individually but equally or more so for some of the guys left out. What I don’t like is the balance over the back 5 forwards over the squad. You have Itoje, Lawes and Beirne who can all play lock or 6 but no cover at 8? Sure, Curry has played 8 for England and played well but really just played his usual game.
Not convinced.
Oh and memo to Josh Adams: must try harder. A few tries might help.
@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
Oh and memo to Josh Adams: must try harder. A few tries might help.
That's the problem with the youth these days, in their rooms online instead of being outside playing.
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This feels like a Lions team with the best "spread" across all countries for quite a while - would that be right?
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@bones I mean that Kolbe is a stepper and lightning fast while van der Merwe takes a while to get going and has the turning circle of a tanker.
@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones I mean that Kolbe is a stepper and lightning fast while van der Merwe takes a while to get going and has the turning circle of a tanker.
Yeah I was about to say that, lookng forward to VDM been shown up for the oil tanker he is!
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@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Looking at the teams gut feel is Bokke will take this.
What time is kick off?
Imagine what an in form Australia would do to them though.
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Looking at the teams gut feel is Bokke will take this.
What time is kick off?
Imagine what an in form
AustraliaEngland would do to them though.FIFY
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@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
What time is kick off?
Sat 24 July 2021, 6.00pm local time
Sun 25 July 2021, 4.00am NZT@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
What time is kick off?
Sat 24 July 2021, 6.00pm local time
Sun 25 July 2021, 4.00am NZTThanks Gazer. Will watch "on demand". But gee a 2am ko
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Surprised at that Lions Back Row and Price at Half Back. Might have found a place for Aki. The rest looks spot on. Lions Props all very strong.
My prediction is the Boks by less than 7.
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Surprised at that Lions Back Row and Price at Half Back. Might have found a place for Aki. The rest looks spot on. Lions Props all very strong.
My prediction is the Boks by less than 7.
You like that back 3?
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Looking at the teams gut feel is Bokke will take this.
What time is kick off?
Imagine what an in form
AustraliaEngland would do to them though.FIFY
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Looking at the teams gut feel is Bokke will take this.
What time is kick off?
Imagine what an in form
AustraliaEngland would do to them though.FIFY
But Australia beat France!
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@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Surprised at that Lions Back Row and Price at Half Back. Might have found a place for Aki. The rest looks spot on. Lions Props all very strong.
My prediction is the Boks by less than 7.
You like that back 3?
@gibbonrib Would have gone with Hogg and Watson for sure. Might have had Adams or Williams ahead of VDM but there is no denying that he has some gas for a big man.
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@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Looking at the teams gut feel is Bokke will take this.
What time is kick off?
Imagine what an in form
AustraliaEngland would do to them though.FIFY
But Australia beat France!
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Looking at the teams gut feel is Bokke will take this.
What time is kick off?
Imagine what an in form
AustraliaEngland would do to them though.FIFY
But Australia beat France!
France
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Go Gryffindor
@machpants said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones I mean that Kolbe is a stepper and lightning fast while van der Merwe takes a while to get going and has the turning circle of a tanker.
Yeah I was about to say that, lookng forward to VDM been shown up for the oil tanker he is!
Pasty Scots and bleached hair are an uneasy mix
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Surprised at that Lions Back Row and Price at Half Back. Might have found a place for Aki. The rest looks spot on. Lions Props all very strong.
My prediction is the Boks by less than 7.
@sparky That's my big worry. Our proven fatties sits on the bench. Ox will be fine but Trevor is a big worry. Daan Human our scrum guru coached him at the Bulls, so hopefully it's a Rassie trick. If we survive no scrum penalty in the 1st half, the test will be done.
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@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
You can make an argument for each selection individually but equally or more so for some of the guys left out. What I don’t like is the balance over the back 5 forwards over the squad. You have Itoje, Lawes and Beirne who can all play lock or 6 but no cover at 8? Sure, Curry has played 8 for England and played well but really just played his usual game.
Not convinced.
Oh and memo to Josh Adams: must try harder. A few tries might help.
@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
You can make an argument for each selection individually but equally or more so for some of the guys left out. What I don’t like is the balance over the back 5 forwards over the squad. You have Itoje, Lawes and Beirne who can all play lock or 6 but no cover at 8? Sure, Curry has played 8 for England and played well but really just played his usual game.
Not convinced.
Oh and memo to Josh Adams: must try harder. A few tries might help.
I actually like the BIL starting pack. The loose forward trio has a bit of steel to them. The biggest thing will be Itoje not getting penalised off the park by the infamous Nic Berry
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@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@stargazer said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15 Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13 Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
12 Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11 Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #8431 Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3 Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5 Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8 Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839Replacements:
16 Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17 Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18 Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19 Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
21 Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22 Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23 Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833https://www.lionsrugby.com/2021/07/21/lions-team-to-face-springboks-for-first-test/
You can make an argument for each selection individually but equally or more so for some of the guys left out. What I don’t like is the balance over the back 5 forwards over the squad. You have Itoje, Lawes and Beirne who can all play lock or 6 but no cover at 8? Sure, Curry has played 8 for England and played well but really just played his usual game.
Not convinced.
Oh and memo to Josh Adams: must try harder. A few tries might help.
I actually like the BIL starting pack. The loose forward trio has a bit of steel to them. The biggest thing will be Itoje not getting penalised off the park by the infamous Nic Berry
@act-crusader funny you'd say that, I actually think they got the loose-trio wrong. Curry I agree with, but not so much the other two.
I don't see what the Lawes selection brings, for all the talk about his physicality and brawn I have never seen him have great game. I have been massively impressed by Beirne on tour and even in the six nations and if I had to choose between the two players it would even be close.
Conan seems like gimmick selection. Gatland wanted the best athlete he could find but I haven't seen anything so far on tour to suggest that he will be able to impose himself on the Springbok defence. I don't know if Gatland had any better options available to him.
Having said that there is now 1000 per cent chance those two are going tear it up this weekend.
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@act-crusader funny you'd say that, I actually think they got the loose-trio wrong. Curry I agree with, but not so much the other two.
I don't see what the Lawes selection brings, for all the talk about his physicality and brawn I have never seen him have great game. I have been massively impressed by Beirne on tour and even in the six nations and if I had to choose between the two players it would even be close.
Conan seems like gimmick selection. Gatland wanted the best athlete he could find but I haven't seen anything so far on tour to suggest that he will be able to impose himself on the Springbok defence. I don't know if Gatland had any better options available to him.
Having said that there is now 1000 per cent chance those two are going tear it up this weekend.
@sidbarret I thought Lawes had a pretty good 6N. I'd pick him over Itoje...
