Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
I thought the first front row unit went well.
I'd have kept them on longer.
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Anyone heard if Biggar's knee is still concussed?
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@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
I thought the first front row unit went well.
I'd have kept them on longer.
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
I thought the first front row unit went well.
I'd have kept them on longer.
The first SA front row? They tired badly in the last 10 minutes of the first half and looked like they were starting to struggle at scrumtime and around the park. I was expecting SA to replace their front row after 50-60 mins but I'm not sure they had that much left. While they had the upper hand in the first 30 minutes, I'm not sure how much of that was down to the Lions forward pack getting into the game.
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Anyone heard if Biggar's knee is still concussed?
@mikethesnow
Only news I can find is https://www.ruck.co.uk/lions-injury-update-biggar-and-jones-out-russell-returns/
When asked about Biggar, Gatland responded: “We’ll have to see. It’s a tricky one”I assume that means its not tricky at all and he's not available. Think he already had a knee niggle so this has made it worse.
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@mikethesnow
Only news I can find is https://www.ruck.co.uk/lions-injury-update-biggar-and-jones-out-russell-returns/
When asked about Biggar, Gatland responded: “We’ll have to see. It’s a tricky one”I assume that means its not tricky at all and he's not available. Think he already had a knee niggle so this has made it worse.
@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow
Only news I can find is https://www.ruck.co.uk/lions-injury-update-biggar-and-jones-out-russell-returns/
When asked about Biggar, Gatland responded: “We’ll have to see. It’s a tricky one”I assume that means its not tricky at all and he's not available. Think he already had a knee niggle so this has made it worse.
From the article it says he failed his HIA.
At the time I thought it was a knee injury and some shrewd/dodgy coaching from Gatland to take Biggar off for a HIA so Daly could come back on.
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
@pecotrain After 60 it could have/should have been 19 - 13, which would have been a fair reflection.
Territory in Q3 reflected excellent kick chase by Lions and poor reception by Boks more than a sea change.
That said, will later watch Q4, and at the 60 apparent that several of Boks out of gas. -
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60-70 Three fairly average decisions in 10. de Klerk kick caught in play by Kolbe, but ruled out on full. Then line out penalty kicked. If lineout in correct position would have been too far out.
Watson > 90 degrees. Pollard misses.
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’. Looked more to me that Sinckler backed off and AWJ/Itoje pushed on angle causing scrum to pivot. Malherbe went forward. Relieved a period of pressure by Boks.
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70-80. De Allande try was inches from being legit. Sheer luck.
Lions Maul gives rise to fair penalty. Came after three dropped balls by Boks, losing 30m each time.
Five points too much to claw back.
Lions box kicking in second half won that for them, hence Lions 47% of time between Bok 22 and halfway.
But at least three dubious reffing decisions led to six dodgy points and playing last 10 with 15, when 14 was justified.
Neither side showed much attacking skill, albeit Boks very dangerous in broken play.
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60-70 Three fairly average decisions in 10. de Klerk kick caught in play by Kolbe, but ruled out on full. Then line out penalty kicked. If lineout in correct position would have been too far out.
Watson > 90 degrees. Pollard misses.
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’. Looked more to me that Sinckler backed off and AWJ/Itoje pushed on angle causing scrum to pivot. Malherbe went forward. Relieved a period of pressure by Boks.
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@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’.
Stop it
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’.
Stop it
Aussies don’t like that sort of play!
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’.
Stop it
Aussies don’t like that sort of play!
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’.
Stop it
Aussies don’t like that sort of play!
Walking the 69 around is absolutely showing off.
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Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
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Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
@sidbarret said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
Point being that Boks being 5 behind at end was unlucky, and allowed Lions to close it out. If 2 points different ball game!
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Tactically South Africa needs to find a way to generate go forward off static ball especially around their own ten meter line. The box kick is fine, but you can't always kick to set defendses.
There were also at least two scrum advantages where we used low percentage kicks instead of setting up attacks.
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Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
Yeah mate, we did get the rub of the green. I don’t think that many of those rub of the green calls were that bad, Kwagga’s strip and the tip tackle aside. The rest for me were close calls, just this time they all seemed to go our way. But that’s test match rugby, you weren’t robbed but similarly if you’d have won, it wouldn’t have been an injustice. The Bok indiscipline in the second half was the most telling factor.
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Yeah mate, we did get the rub of the green. I don’t think that many of those rub of the green calls were that bad, Kwagga’s strip and the tip tackle aside. The rest for me were close calls, just this time they all seemed to go our way. But that’s test match rugby, you weren’t robbed but similarly if you’d have won, it wouldn’t have been an injustice. The Bok indiscipline in the second half was the most telling factor.
@catogrande yeah not robbed, just rubbed of green stuff.
Actually the discipline wasn't that bad. High tackle from Etsebeth that was tough call (led to line out that BIL scored off) , an offside against Mapimpi, a scrum penalty where Vanipulo was on an interesting angle. The big one was the maul (three penalties and a try) where we just didn't have an answer.
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@catogrande yeah not robbed, just rubbed of green stuff.
Actually the discipline wasn't that bad. High tackle from Etsebeth that was tough call (led to line out that BIL scored off) , an offside against Mapimpi, a scrum penalty where Vanipulo was on an interesting angle. The big one was the maul (three penalties and a try) where we just didn't have an answer.
@sidbarret said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@catogrande yeah not robbed, just rubbed of green stuff.
Actually the discipline wasn't that bad. High tackle from Etsebeth that was tough call (led to line out that BIL scored off) , an offside against Mapimpi, a scrum penalty where Vanipulo was on an interesting angle. The big one was the maul (three penalties and a try) where we just didn't have an answer.
In the UK comms, Sam Warburton called it late in the first half that if the Lions kept the ball in hand a bit more and just played more rugby in general, the Boks we’re giving away penalties. He must have called that three or four times before we began to play that sort of pattern. In the second half the score and the penalty count backed this up. For sure one can point at some close calls but the numbers overall tell the story.
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@sidbarret said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
Point being that Boks being 5 behind at end was unlucky, and allowed Lions to close it out. If 2 points different ball game!
@pakman yeah, but could have been even had Pollard hit the conversion and the penalty for the tip tackle.
Hell we could have been up by seven had Le Roux timed his run from Am's kick a bit better.
We had our chances, but didn't take them. It might have been different with a tad more luck, but them the breaks.
