Springboks v British & Irish Lions II

[pakman]

@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones
People saying "he never took his eyes off the ball", as if that's a defence.

That just confirms it wasn't malicious, but nobody's suggesting that it was.

Not looking where you're running in that kind of situation is wreckless.

More likely wreckful!

[pakman]

@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Does it though?

For me, yes.

The counter argument is that you should be looking at whether anyone else might be in the zone. But then are you looking to line them up?

Absurd example maybe, but in circumstance where ball was going to land on player with back to it, does approaching player have right to leap on top of him in order to catch ball?

I’d say yes.

If said approaching player tips and lands on his shoulder can unsighted player be penalised.

I’d say no.

The problem with all this is if someone wants to catch a high ball kicked to where they are they need to have all eyes on ball, not be looking away to scan who might be jumping into them.

I’d say if a player is standing still and looking to catch it is illogical for it to be a red card.

[pakman]

Sunday Times has Lions tight five outplaying Boks. Walrus gives Etzebeth ‘4K’ and call him overrated.

Only ratings which seem half decent are Rugby Pass.

[NTA]

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@nta if you glance at the Speedo when you drive, does that mean you're trying to speed?

Hardly comparable.

Intent is the thing you want to try and judge. Not always easy, which is why we have Laws and frameworks, not Rules.

[Bones]

@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Hardly comparable

Only because you're a model citizen.

[pakman]

I’d have Finn Russell on bench. And Henderson, because I’d move Itoje to 6 after 55.

[pakman]

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Hardly comparable

Only because you're a model citizen.

Takes one to know one?

[NTA]

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Hardly comparable

Only because you're a model citizen.

And have had my car long enough to know pretty much exactly how fast I'm going without even looking

[MajorStokes]

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time

Jesus Christ ‍️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!

Why not?

It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.

You are being absurd now as I try to get to grips with your point.

Do you agree that players can now no longer catch a ball when on the ground?
Is the basic coaching rule of always keep your eye on the ball no longer applicable?

[MajorStokes]

@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Sunday Times has Lions tight five outplaying Boks. Walrus gives Etzebeth ‘4K’ and call him overrated.

Only ratings which seem half decent are Rugby Pass.

Oh my lord.

Did itoje get MOTM?

[Bones]

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time

Jesus Christ ‍️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!

Why not?

It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.

You are being absurd now as I try to get to grips with your point.

Do you agree that players can now no longer catch a ball when on the ground?
Is the basic coaching rule of always keep your eye on the ball no longer applicable?

Excuse me? I'm being absurd? You're the one saying you should be allowed to recklessly take players out as long as you pretend you could only see the ball and nothing else.

Righto.

[Bovidae]

@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

In the backs, we have issues at 9 & 10 and I think the choice of 10 would dictate who plays at 9. I’d like to see Smith with Price but we won’t. Aki for Henshaw.

I thought Henshaw was OK but the Harris inclusion didn't work.

Gatland and co needs to decide how they want to play and select accordingly.

[GibbonRib]

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time

Jesus Christ ‍️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!

Why not?

It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.

You are being absurd now as I try to get to grips with your point.

Do you agree that players can now no longer catch a ball when on the ground?
Is the basic coaching rule of always keep your eye on the ball no longer applicable?

Keep your eye on the ball is good advice, but it doesn't trump everything else. Especially if you're running while trying to catch. Doubly especially if you're running towards a spot where there's very likely a guy already in the air.

[MiketheSnow]

@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

In the backs, we have issues at 9 & 10 and I think the choice of 10 would dictate who plays at 9. I’d like to see Smith with Price but we won’t. Aki for Henshaw.

I thought Henshaw was OK but the Harris inclusion didn't work.

Gatland and co needs to decide how they want to play and select accordingly.

As you were then

No Plan B for Gats

[booboo]

@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Ben is out of his depth

Frankly I thought he handled it well

[Catogrande]

@booboo said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Ben is out of his depth

Frankly I thought he handled it well

Agreed. Not the best reffing display I’ve seen, but a long way from the worst and in a very charged atmosphere too. He did ok IMO.

[MajorStokes]

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time

Jesus Christ ‍️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!

Why not?

It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.

You are being absurd now as I try to get to grips with your point.

Do you agree that players can now no longer catch a ball when on the ground?
Is the basic coaching rule of always keep your eye on the ball no longer applicable?

Excuse me? I'm being absurd? You're the one saying you should be allowed to recklessly take players out as long as you pretend you could only see the ball and nothing else.

Righto.

Yes, you are being absurd. And now, obtuse.

[MajorStokes]

@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time

Jesus Christ ‍️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!

Why not?

It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.

You are being absurd now as I try to get to grips with your point.

Do you agree that players can now no longer catch a ball when on the ground?
Is the basic coaching rule of always keep your eye on the ball no longer applicable?

Keep your eye on the ball is good advice, but it doesn't trump everything else. Especially if you're running while trying to catch. Doubly especially if you're running towards a spot where there's very likely a guy already in the air.

Does it warrant a red card? Do you really think Kolbe took Murray out?

See I don’t. I think it’s subjective and I fail to see how it coyjd be a red card.

[GibbonRib]

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time

Jesus Christ ‍️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!

Why not?

It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.

You are being absurd now as I try to get to grips with your point.

Do you agree that players can now no longer catch a ball when on the ground?
Is the basic coaching rule of always keep your eye on the ball no longer applicable?

Keep your eye on the ball is good advice, but it doesn't trump everything else. Especially if you're running while trying to catch. Doubly especially if you're running towards a spot where there's very likely a guy already in the air.

Does it warrant a red card? Do you really think Kolbe took Murray out?

See I don’t. I think it’s subjective and I fail to see how it coyjd be a red card.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what the rules say about that kind of situation now.

My instinctive sense of natural justice says a yellow would be fair, it was reckless and dangerous but IMO not intentional. But if someone more knowledgeable told me that the laws say that's a red, because of the level of danger (and because intent isn't part of the consideration any more because it's too hard to judge) then I'd have no problem with that either.

[booboo]

@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Be interesting to see what citings come out of this. Itoje? Kolbe?

What did Itoje do?

Was a dickhead ... can't you get cited for that?