Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour
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@chimoaus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
The lack of talk about the ref must mean he did a pretty good job. I appreciated his calm demeanour and just the way he went about it. TMO seemed intent on getting involved and it appeared the ref was a little annoyed at him. A few calls went our way for sure but overall I felt he was fair and let the game flow.
Most UK fans (not just Welsh) are furious with the ref.
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
The lack of talk about the ref must mean he did a pretty good job. I appreciated his calm demeanour and just the way he went about it. TMO seemed intent on getting involved and it appeared the ref was a little annoyed at him. A few calls went our way for sure but overall I felt he was fair and let the game flow.
Most UK fans (not just Welsh) are furious with the ref.
Not enough spurious unnecessary breaks?
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I think we need to see Havili next to Mo'unga in a few games, before passing judgment. And not only against Italy, but against stronger opponents. Preferably with Weber starting, too.
@stargazer said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I think we need to see Havili next to Mo'unga in a few games, before passing judgment. And not only against Italy, but against stronger opponents. Preferably with Weber starting, too.
To have a fair comparison, we need to see Havili next to Mo'unga, but with Perenara starting. Giving Weber a start instead of Perenara would warp the comparison as BB had to play against Wales with Perenara's slow and inacurrate passing. Weber would give a big advantage to Mo'unga.
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@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
The lack of talk about the ref must mean he did a pretty good job. I appreciated his calm demeanour and just the way he went about it. TMO seemed intent on getting involved and it appeared the ref was a little annoyed at him. A few calls went our way for sure but overall I felt he was fair and let the game flow.
Most UK fans (not just Welsh) are furious with the ref.
Not enough spurious unnecessary breaks?
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
The lack of talk about the ref must mean he did a pretty good job. I appreciated his calm demeanour and just the way he went about it. TMO seemed intent on getting involved and it appeared the ref was a little annoyed at him. A few calls went our way for sure but overall I felt he was fair and let the game flow.
Most UK fans (not just Welsh) are furious with the ref.
Not enough spurious unnecessary breaks?
the greatest game has become very reliant on referees, and the current crop aren't much good. They seem to lack both a feel for the game (sometimes World Rugby directed), and an ability to make decent calls consistently.
TMO don't help. How many post-hoc hits wind up with YC, where in real time it's 'play on'.
Overall the ref was 'ok', but was fairly inconstent with a bunch of stuff. Media feed the frenzy unfortunately
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I didn't read the game thread in real time. But post game I haven't really heard much talk about the ref. As it should be. I thought he had a decent game, of course the attitude of both teams probably made his day easier
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I didn't read the game thread in real time. But post game I haven't really heard much talk about the ref. As it should be. I thought he had a decent game, of course the attitude of both teams probably made his day easier
I thought he could’ve penalised us a few more times for our tacklers falling on the wrong side and probably could’ve penalised the Welsh for a few more offsides.
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Penalty in the air against Welsh 11 was fine.
Please explain
Because in real time and the limited replays it appeared that Adams was in the air and Jordie was on the ground and at the last moment Jordie left the ground and clattered into Adams preventing him from catching the ball.
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Penalty in the air against Welsh 11 was fine.
Please explain
Because in real time and the limited replays it appeared that Adams was in the air and Jordie was on the ground and at the last moment Jordie left the ground and clattered into Adams preventing him from catching the ball.
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
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@machpants said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I've finally realised what Jordie's do reminds me of
I had to laugh when reading that Jordie is one of the few players that took clippers on tour but the rest of the team won't go near him for a haircut. Bower and Tupaea are the trusted barbers.
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
After reading comments, I would've thought that the AB forwards smashed Wales, but they did not.
Fairly average 40 minutes of rugby against Wales B. Beauden Barrett good, Savea fringe running very good (great tactic against rush defence), Whitelock very good, Papalii good.
ABs very lucky not to concede three cards. Barrett for the knock down, and Blackadder's shoulder charge (tucked his arm, contact shoulder on shoulder). The Welsh player led with his head, and tucked it, but we were lucky there.
Yeah, was wondering at the time if we were going to see a red for Laulala and a yellow for Blackadder. Shit technique from both of them that could have cost us with a different ref.
@toddy said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
After reading comments, I would've thought that the AB forwards smashed Wales, but they did not.
Fairly average 40 minutes of rugby against Wales B. Beauden Barrett good, Savea fringe running very good (great tactic against rush defence), Whitelock very good, Papalii good.
ABs very lucky not to concede three cards. Barrett for the knock down, and Blackadder's shoulder charge (tucked his arm, contact shoulder on shoulder). The Welsh player led with his head, and tucked it, but we were lucky there.
Yeah, was wondering at the time if we were going to see a red for Laulala and a yellow for Blackadder. Shit technique from both of them that could have cost us with a different ref.
That was my take on events, possibly two YC because Blackadder’s illegal hit sent Moriarity lower.
So mitigating factor for red.
But first point of contact was shoulder to head, which I’ve seen plenty given straight red.
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@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
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@bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I wasn't quite as sold on the Papalii/Blackadder combo. No doubting their workrates but both were inaccurate at times at the breakdown giving away stupid penalties or missing cleans.
In general, the ABs were much more direct so that the props and locks were also more involved.
The midfield needs to be either ALB-Ioane or Tupaea-ALB.
Couldn't agree more bov, I really liked both Papali'i and Blackadder, but both are almost neither a 6 or 7, and not quite sure they have their roles absolutely worked out. And that is not a harsh criticism, just something minor.
I wouldn't mind seeing Tupaea/ALB midfield combo, as much as I like Havili, I not sure we not missing something there.@dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I wouldn't mind seeing Tupaea/ALB midfield combo, as much as I like Havili, I not sure we not missing something there.
If we try the Tupaea/ALB midfield combo how many games do we give Tupaea to settle in? And it doesn't work out (i.e. QT has one bad game), who do we try out then?
At what stage do we say "Hey, we've tried about 11-12 combinations over the last 6 years and none of them have been instant successes so perhaps we need to allow players to settle in?
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With all due respect to NH posters, it’s the same crap every single time we tour up here snd this fan has zero interest in any ref shrieking, bad call whinging, post match ref analysis etc etc.
If you are dominating and going forwards, you get the calls.
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
@mikethesnow As the ref stated, the Welsh 11 never had a realistic chance of going for the ball. In effect, his action was to prevent Barrett from being able to make an attempt by jumping into him and taking him out, without realistically contesting possession. He had overrun the ball.
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The better team won - predictably, comfortably - whilst rarely getting out of 3rd gear.
Wales tired in the last 20 through their own doing.
Poor accuracy going forward and shit kicking handing the ABs both possession and field position time and time again.
Out lineout was pathetic, and has been for what appears to be decades.
But all that said it was magic to be singing and shouting your lungs out watching the best team in the world.
A couple of those tries were sublime and more than worth the entrance fee.
The atmosphere was electric.
Brilliant effort from all at the Stadium.
Slick, like clockwork (maybe not the bars).
17 mins walk from my front door to my seat.
Post-match hanging about pitchside was great.
Good chats with your supporters,
Great to be back.
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
The rationale was that Adams had gone past the ball and was not in a position to catch it, whereas Barrett was running on to the ball and was in a position to catch it. IMO that rationale stands up
Worst decision for me was no yellow for the other Barrett’s deliberate knock on. Can understand the no penalty try but not to card him was spineless.
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@mikethesnow As the ref stated, the Welsh 11 never had a realistic chance of going for the ball. In effect, his action was to prevent Barrett from being able to make an attempt by jumping into him and taking him out, without realistically contesting possession. He had overrun the ball.
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow As the ref stated, the Welsh 11 never had a realistic chance of going for the ball. In effect, his action was to prevent Barrett from being able to make an attempt by jumping into him and taking him out, without realistically contesting possession. He had overrun the ball.
Thanks
Will watch it back
That wasn’t communicated to us live
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Penalty in the air against Welsh 11 was fine.
Please explain
Because in real time and the limited replays it appeared that Adams was in the air and Jordie was on the ground and at the last moment Jordie left the ground and clattered into Adams preventing him from catching the ball.
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Penalty in the air against Welsh 11 was fine.
Please explain
Because in real time and the limited replays it appeared that Adams was in the air and Jordie was on the ground and at the last moment Jordie left the ground and clattered into Adams preventing him from catching the ball.
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
Looked to me like he moved past the ball then turned back to catch it and JB's eyes never left the ball. I will have to have another gander.
oh snap, yes I think the ref or TJ - no I think the ref- said that. -
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
The rationale was that Adams had gone past the ball and was not in a position to catch it, whereas Barrett was running on to the ball and was in a position to catch it. IMO that rationale stands up
Worst decision for me was no yellow for the other Barrett’s deliberate knock on. Can understand the no penalty try but not to card him was spineless.
@catogrande said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
The rationale was that Adams had gone past the ball and was not in a position to catch it, whereas Barrett was running on to the ball and was in a position to catch it. IMO that rationale stands up
Worst decision for me was no yellow for the other Barrett’s deliberate knock on. Can understand the no penalty try but not to card him was spineless.
You can't card the MOTM on his 100th game! Or we won't get that Clint Eastwood contract..
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@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
The rationale was that Adams had gone past the ball and was not in a position to catch it, whereas Barrett was running on to the ball and was in a position to catch it. IMO that rationale stands up
Worst decision for me was no yellow for the other Barrett’s deliberate knock on. Can understand the no penalty try but not to card him was spineless.
@catogrande said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
YC against Jordie for me and the thousands in attendance
:grinning_squinting_face:
Oh come on.
So please explain why you and the ref thought otherwise
The rationale was that Adams had gone past the ball and was not in a position to catch it, whereas Barrett was running on to the ball and was in a position to catch it. IMO that rationale stands up
Worst decision for me was no yellow for the other Barrett’s deliberate knock on. Can understand the no penalty try but not to card him was spineless.
Sort of agree, but he scored two trys from doing the same thing and almost did it again there. Wasn’t a slap down.
