England vs Springbokke
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I have a bad feeling about this game.
The 2021 Springbok team seems to be just that little short of top class, just that little disappointing.
They won a poor lion's series, shat the bed during the rugby championship and need a clean sweep on tour to give the year a pass mark. I just feel that they are going dissapoint.
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I have a bad feeling about this game.
The 2021 Springbok team seems to be just that little short of top class, just that little disappointing.
They won a poor lion's series, shat the bed during the rugby championship and need a clean sweep on tour to give the year a pass mark. I just feel that they are going dissapoint.
@sidbarret said in England vs Springbokke:
I have a bad feeling about this game.
The 2021 Springbok team seems to be just that little short of top class, just that little disappointing.
They won a poor lion's series, shat the bed during the rugby championship and need a clean sweep on tour to give the year a pass mark. I just feel that they are going dissapoint.
Eddie is quiet too
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Springbok team to face England in London:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 71 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 50 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 25 caps, 25 pts (5t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 57 caps, 35 pts (7t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 24 caps, 95 pts (19t)
10 – Handré Pollard (Montpellier) – 59 caps, 586 pts (6t, 83c, 126p, 4d)
9 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 20 caps, 40pts (8t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen (Ulster) – 60 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 18 caps, 5 pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 62 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 55 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 96 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 53 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 47 caps, 45 pts (9t)
1 – Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 8 caps, 0ptsReplacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 45 caps, 50 pts (10t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 58 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 30 caps, 0 pts
19 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 50 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 10 caps, 0 pts
21 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 20 caps, 25 pts (5t)
22 – Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes) – 43 caps, 323 pts (2t, 65c, 60p, 1d)
23 – Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs) – 73 caps, 147pts (11t, 7c, 23p, 3d)Springbok record against England:
Played 43; Won 26; Lost 15; Drawn 2; Points for 919; Points against 729; Tries scored 85; Tries conceded 54; Highest score 58; Biggest win 48; Win % 60.5%
Match stats:
Handré Pollard needs 14 more points to reach 600 career points for the Springboks.
Frans Steyn needs three more points to reach 150 career points for the Springboks.
Makazole Mapimpi is one try short of 20 Test tries and 100 Test points.
Bongi Mbonambi needs one try to reach 10 tries and 50 career points.
Miscellaneous:The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is 705.
There are 306 caps in the backline with 399 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 329 caps.
The average caps per player in the backline are 43, the forwards 49, while the players on the bench average 41 -
I have a bad feeling about this game.
The 2021 Springbok team seems to be just that little short of top class, just that little disappointing.
They won a poor lion's series, shat the bed during the rugby championship and need a clean sweep on tour to give the year a pass mark. I just feel that they are going dissapoint.
@sidbarret kak man. If it was the first game on tour maybe, Boks on a roll now.
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@sidbarret kak man. If it was the first game on tour maybe, Boks on a roll now.
@oompb said in England vs Springbokke:
@sidbarret kak man. If it was the first game on tour maybe, Boks on a roll now.
Are you referring to Oz? If so, first two games on tour
Will be a good game on Saturday. Intriguing.
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Farrell is no loss at the moment
I fancy England to win this
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@oompb said in England vs Springbokke:
@sidbarret kak man. If it was the first game on tour maybe, Boks on a roll now.
Are you referring to Oz? If so, first two games on tour
Will be a good game on Saturday. Intriguing.
@stodders I’d feel a lot happier if we had PSDT to spy Smith all day. And if Kriel were chased back to the hall of mirrors. And if Pollard found his kicking boots in the bottom of his kitbag.
But that’s just rephrasing @SidBarret - this Bok team is not unplayable. At a thumbsuck, I’d say it’s short any two of PSDT, Kolbe, Faf or RG.
While that’s not an especially heavy attrition rate it’s highlighted because the Boks haven’t identified the one or two special new players that normally get thrown up by this stage of the RWC cycle. But thems the breaks of the disproportionate impact of COVID on the third world and this management team’s conservative selection style.
It’s easy for us to say that the team would be better with Nkosi, Fassi and Evan Roos in it. It’s blindingly obvious sat on our couch.
But it’s a helluva lot harder to make those big sack calls if you’re in your first season as an international head coach (whose never been the top dog at any level) coaching the RWC champs against their finals opponents at a venue you’ve struggled at recently.
Apart from anything else, your senior players are all mates with the guys you’d have to drop. And your Boss saw first hand what happens when you tamper with the team dynamic to squeeze the young gun in over a popular senior player when Mallet axed Teichmann for Skinstad.
So maybe you say to yourself, Jesse may have cows’ tits for hands and he might not really understand defensive positioning or how to create or exploit space. And maybe his kicking is poor for the average schoolboy second team wing. And perhaps he doesn’t have the killer instinct or even the composure you’d expect from a 50 game veteran. But the boys like him (I mean, he’s really useful for roping beautiful instababies in at the bar) and he had to watch the final from the sidelines on crutches. So let’s just give him a run and spend all week telling him this is his RWC final. And if all goes well, the poms won’t get too much ball to expose the useless fluffybunny on defence. And his three or for knock ons give us a chance to scrum! And it isn’t like we were planning to pass the ball to him anyway.
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@stodders I’d feel a lot happier if we had PSDT to spy Smith all day. And if Kriel were chased back to the hall of mirrors. And if Pollard found his kicking boots in the bottom of his kitbag.
But that’s just rephrasing @SidBarret - this Bok team is not unplayable. At a thumbsuck, I’d say it’s short any two of PSDT, Kolbe, Faf or RG.
While that’s not an especially heavy attrition rate it’s highlighted because the Boks haven’t identified the one or two special new players that normally get thrown up by this stage of the RWC cycle. But thems the breaks of the disproportionate impact of COVID on the third world and this management team’s conservative selection style.
It’s easy for us to say that the team would be better with Nkosi, Fassi and Evan Roos in it. It’s blindingly obvious sat on our couch.
But it’s a helluva lot harder to make those big sack calls if you’re in your first season as an international head coach (whose never been the top dog at any level) coaching the RWC champs against their finals opponents at a venue you’ve struggled at recently.
Apart from anything else, your senior players are all mates with the guys you’d have to drop. And your Boss saw first hand what happens when you tamper with the team dynamic to squeeze the young gun in over a popular senior player when Mallet axed Teichmann for Skinstad.
So maybe you say to yourself, Jesse may have cows’ tits for hands and he might not really understand defensive positioning or how to create or exploit space. And maybe his kicking is poor for the average schoolboy second team wing. And perhaps he doesn’t have the killer instinct or even the composure you’d expect from a 50 game veteran. But the boys like him (I mean, he’s really useful for roping beautiful instababies in at the bar) and he had to watch the final from the sidelines on crutches. So let’s just give him a run and spend all week telling him this is his RWC final. And if all goes well, the poms won’t get too much ball to expose the useless fluffybunny on defence. And his three or for knock ons give us a chance to scrum! And it isn’t like we were planning to pass the ball to him anyway.
@smuts I am not a Jesse fan but he played well against Scotland. The same with Elton Junkies. Then this Bok team is not a XV but rather a 23 team. We got the best two frontrows in world rugby, add the three locks and all add up that's where rugby matches will be won mostly.
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@smuts I am not a Jesse fan but he played well against Scotland. The same with Elton Junkies. Then this Bok team is not a XV but rather a 23 team. We got the best two frontrows in world rugby, add the three locks and all add up that's where rugby matches will be won mostly.
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I fancy England for this.
The Boks struggled against Australia, drew with us and our thumping by Ireland has exposed exactly where we are.
If England get themselves together, they could well take this one. Actually, that's the wrong word. They should They are at home too which is a big factor.
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@smuts I am not a Jesse fan but he played well against Scotland. The same with Elton Junkies. Then this Bok team is not a XV but rather a 23 team. We got the best two frontrows in world rugby, add the three locks and all add up that's where rugby matches will be won mostly.
@oompb said in England vs Springbokke:
@smuts I am not a Jesse fan but he played well against Scotland. The same with Elton Junkies. Then this Bok team is not a XV but rather a 23 team. We got the best two frontrows in world rugby, add the three locks and all add up that's where rugby matches will be won mostly.
Two best front rows? Ireland would like a word
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Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
@machpants said in England vs Springbokke:
Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
I think you’re probably on the money though hopefully not an out and out spanking but I do expect us to get schooled at scrum time. If we can get near to parity there and IF Eddie picks a team to run the big Saffer forwards all over the park then we have a slim chance.
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@machpants said in England vs Springbokke:
Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
I think you’re probably on the money though hopefully not an out and out spanking but I do expect us to get schooled at scrum time. If we can get near to parity there and IF Eddie picks a team to run the big Saffer forwards all over the park then we have a slim chance.
@catogrande said in England vs Springbokke:
@machpants said in England vs Springbokke:
Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
I think you’re probably on the money though hopefully not an out and out spanking but I do expect us to get schooled at scrum time. If we can get near to parity there and IF Eddie picks a team to run the big Saffer forwards all over the park then we have a slim chance.
Claiming underdog status at home against reigning world champions in front of a packed Twickenham. I've seen this type of ambush before.
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@machpants said in England vs Springbokke:
Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
I think you’re probably on the money though hopefully not an out and out spanking but I do expect us to get schooled at scrum time. If we can get near to parity there and IF Eddie picks a team to run the big Saffer forwards all over the park then we have a slim chance.
@catogrande said in England vs Springbokke:
@machpants said in England vs Springbokke:
Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
I think you’re probably on the money though hopefully not an out and out spanking but I do expect us to get schooled at scrum time. If we can get near to parity there and IF Eddie picks a team to run the big Saffer forwards all over the park then we have a slim chance.
You have the Bok forwards coach from the RWC2019 triumph too in your coaching ranks. Surely he might have some insights that will help England?
Eddie is still quiet. I know it's only Tuesday, but he's rarely this quiet.
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@catogrande said in England vs Springbokke:
@machpants said in England vs Springbokke:
Nah settled Bokke all day for me. I’m half English and will be supporting them, but I feel a forwards based spanking coming on. I’m used to that now, thanks to Foster
I think you’re probably on the money though hopefully not an out and out spanking but I do expect us to get schooled at scrum time. If we can get near to parity there and IF Eddie picks a team to run the big Saffer forwards all over the park then we have a slim chance.
You have the Bok forwards coach from the RWC2019 triumph too in your coaching ranks. Surely he might have some insights that will help England?
Eddie is still quiet. I know it's only Tuesday, but he's rarely this quiet.
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@stodders the Scots have Pieter de Villiers, previously Bok scrum guru. Didn't work well for them.
@oompb said in England vs Springbokke:
@stodders the Scots have Pieter de Villiers, previously Bok scrum guru. Didn't work well for them.
Under Meyer. In 2015. Not exactly the same as Proudfoot who coached the forwards directly under Erasmus and with Nienaber
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Forecast looks like no rain predicted at the moment which is good. Looking fwd to a proper test and hope Andrew Brace and his reffing team have a solid day out there too. Think it is going to be very tight either way
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Le Roux must be the most undeserving regular starter in test rugby. I'd take Frans Steyn's ballsack starting over him. Go Boks
@tordah said in England vs Springbokke:
Le Roux must be the most undeserving regular starter in test rugby. I'd take Frans Steyn's ballsack starting over him. Go Boks
Steyn can’t do Test 80
Better finisher
