Wales v Australia
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@derpus said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib It's not just the Aussie commentators complaining about the referees though. It's everyone. Complaints are coming from all quarters.
Rennie alluded to a WR apology being issued for a shit decision in the Scotland/Aus game. The reffing quality is just terrible.
Well I'm not denying that there are problems with refereeing. But when everyone is moaning about referees all the time, including when they unquestionably got the decision right, then it just creates the perception that the problem is far worse than it really is. The whole victim/ siege mentality thing that the South Africans have going on is grim.
WR need to sort out the inconsistency between hemispheres, and the interminable video replays (among other things). But it would be good if commentators and coaches could meet them half way and stop moaning about every decision that goes against them.
@gibbon-rib I dunno. Maybe it's overblown a bit but if it's everyone then i think it's pretty certain there is a problem.
I did think that Rennie only unloaded because of the wrist slap that Rassie got for his bullshit. He's clearly not going to be censured for a post match complaint if Rassie gets away with that video.
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Exciting game, Wales lucky, well played Aus.
Can't believe thay anyone is questioning the red card. Clearly dangerous and poor technique. Absolutely stonewall.
The Tompinks try was also undoubtedly the right decision, but incrediblely flukey for Wales, if it had gone a few inches the other way it would have been a penalty and quite possibly a yellow.
I've had a gutsful of the Aussie commentators (and I'm including Mehrts in that) ragging on the referees for every decision that goes against the Wallabies. Claiming that the Valentini card couldn't have been foul play because there was no intent, and the ref had a "howler" in correctly judging the known down went back. Don't be like South Africa guys.
To be fair the folks in the studio were pretty reasonable (Turanui, Plank and the Wallaroo whose name I didn't catch)
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
To be fair the folks in the studio were pretty reasonable (Turanui, Plank and the Wallaroo whose name I didn't catch)
OK, I may need to revise this, in the post-match wrap up Morgan Turinui just said Wales are a well prepared team
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@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
To be fair the folks in the studio were pretty reasonable (Turanui, Plank and the Wallaroo whose name I didn't catch)
OK, I may need to revise this, in the post-match wrap up Morgan Turinui just said Wales are a well prepared team
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
To be fair the folks in the studio were pretty reasonable (Turanui, Plank and the Wallaroo whose name I didn't catch)
OK, I may need to revise this, in the post-match wrap up Morgan Turinui just said Wales are a well prepared team
No wonder you got angry!
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Rugby should only be transmitted in SD, using blurry cam then we'd miss all the ref howlers like the good old days
@machpants said in Wales v Australia:
Rugby should only be transmitted in SD, using blurry cam then we'd miss all the ref howlers like the good old days
Or, alternatively, you could see as many as you want - viewers choice
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Anyone else thing White was lucky not to be done for holding on for his try?
Looked to me like he was tackled short and then launched himself rather than simply reaching out.
@kiwimurph given the reffing bias its a minor miracle it wasn't chalked off.
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@kiwimurph given the reffing bias its a minor miracle it wasn't chalked off.
@derpus said in Wales v Australia:
@kiwimurph given the reffing bias its a minor miracle it wasn't chalked off.
Rassie really has poisoned the well
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Anyone else thing White was lucky not to be done for holding on for his try?
Looked to me like he was tackled short and then launched himself rather than simply reaching out.
@kiwimurph No, he clearly went with his momentum and reached out, as he's legally allowed to do.
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Thomas very lucky not to be red carded.
A deliberate knock down is fine if it doesn't go forward?
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Anyone else thing White was lucky not to be done for holding on for his try?
Looked to me like he was tackled short and then launched himself rather than simply reaching out.
@kiwimurph said in Wales v Australia:
Anyone else thing White was lucky not to be done for holding on for his try?
Looked to me like he was tackled short and then launched himself rather than simply reaching out.
Was actually my first instinct, given the officials had missed so much.
Honestly, how the fuck could ALL FOUR OF THEM miss the collar tackle Wright put in down the sideline?
Forget the big incidents - the amount of little shit that the ref's assessor will be noting down from this game for all of them...
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Wallabies coach Dave Rennie fumed about the officiating. “I thought some of the decision making tonight was horrendous, and played a big part in the result,” he said post-match.
“We’ll get an apology next week but it wont mean anything..
“I’ve been a professional coach for 20 years, and I’ve never gone in the media and had a crack at a referee or the referee group. But I felt I had to tonight.” -
Wallabies coach Dave Rennie fumed about the officiating. “I thought some of the decision making tonight was horrendous, and played a big part in the result,” he said post-match.
“We’ll get an apology next week but it wont mean anything..
“I’ve been a professional coach for 20 years, and I’ve never gone in the media and had a crack at a referee or the referee group. But I felt I had to tonight.”@act-crusader first I've heard that a ref can make Rennie bloody angry.
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Not like Rennie to have a moan.
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@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
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@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt. -
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt.@crucial said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt.Can you knock on off the chest? Has to be hands and/or arms?
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@gt12 said in Wales v Australia:
Not like Rennie to have a moan.
He needs someone to blame and the referees, who go unarmed, will do.
Rennie has been given everything he has asked for, plus some - nice five star digs in Queensland, a 2021 squad of 63 or 100 or something - plus visiting old boys; spine coaches, edge coaches, channel, clutch and scone coaches (monitoring the kiddies for nightmares and such) and upright tackling technique coaches - he has a half dozen of them and doesn't it show! His lineout-chucking coach is Polota-Nau by the looks of it.
Warnie himself would note that they "cannot catch, cannot throw" still.
Rennie has been in the chair now for two years - he will be well aware that Australians Knuckles and Ewen McKenzie didn't even last that long. Deans did, but he spent half of his 5½ years battling Lord Two-Fathers' Wallabies.
He's got to find something or someone to divert attention, he's going to need the practice for the next two years.
