Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes
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Absolute garbage by the Canes{or is it Horrorcanes} especially against a side we should beat easily... we had most of the possession & territory, dominated the scrums, but made too many silly mistakes, also our ball carriers got isolated a lot at the breakdown gifting them the bloody ball.
Prinsep proved yet again what a passenger he is... over the years the Canes have had a lot of useless head coaches appointed to the franchise, the only good one that I can remember would be Boyd.
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Absolute garbage by the Canes{or is it Horrorcanes} especially against a side we should beat easily... we had most of the possession & territory, dominated the scrums, but made too many silly mistakes, also our ball carriers got isolated a lot at the breakdown gifting them the bloody ball.
Prinsep proved yet again what a passenger he is... over the years the Canes have had a lot of useless head coaches appointed to the franchise, the only good one that I can remember would be Boyd.
Cooper wasn't too bad but not good enough to win it. Boyd managed to win it so must rate as a good coach but the only reason I was happy with him is he had Plumtree as an assistant
This coaching group is quite hopeless. Its a concern as we could lose our better players. Esp our fullback (thankfully it never happened this year with Ardie and Jordie staying on) . And will find it hard to recruit high quality players if Holland is kept on
Its not the coaches to blame though its a completely useless board that has low standards. Look at the difference at the Blues now. And Chiefs understand the importance of a strong coaching team with good player recuitment
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Liked the impact of McRobbie again for MP. Can't figure why he does not start. They do need Visinia at fullback too. Otherwise they have a good 15 forming.
Canes props were a bit lightweight tonite. Numia got pushed all over the place and Fidow and Mafileo seemed casual. In contrast MP loosies were great though. All 4 were very physical. But I saw much less of Canes loosies@arhs though all 3 locks were good , that was a good shift from Slade and Poloniati who played the whole game and McRobbie showed some real mobility especially when that winning try was scored ..the same can’t be said about Salesi Rayasi who just looked casual running back in a situation that needed full on desperation.
I am still staggered that MP have beaten a NZ team in their first year and in only their 3rd game , how many years were OZ teams beaten by NZ teams .?
For me one of the big issues when we have seen pacific island teams come together especially internationally is the lack of time together meeting on a weekend and then playing a full test the following weekend does not cut it , it just goes to show a bit of time together getting to know each other and more importantly bonding as a group and getting everyday professional training can carry you a long way . -
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Absolute garbage by the Canes{or is it Horrorcanes} especially against a side we should beat easily... we had most of the possession & territory, dominated the scrums, but made too many silly mistakes, also our ball carriers got isolated a lot at the breakdown gifting them the bloody ball.
Prinsep proved yet again what a passenger he is... over the years the Canes have had a lot of useless head coaches appointed to the franchise, the only good one that I can remember would be Boyd.
Zero to do with the defensive effort by MP? The continual hard hits behind the advantage line? The determination when their line was under threat?
Or that the Canes managed one of the tries of the tournament when MP wavered from that focus?Agree Crucial, while Canes weren't flash, I think to not give MP credit their dues is a huge mistake. Ok maybe the Canes werent on top of game, but MP in second half played well. Just a note to other teams, don't take these buggers too lightly, with a win under belts they may start believing, and when they believe in themselves they will stop the dumb penalties etc and be a dangerous team to play!
@dan54 said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Absolute garbage by the Canes{or is it Horrorcanes} especially against a side we should beat easily... we had most of the possession & territory, dominated the scrums, but made too many silly mistakes, also our ball carriers got isolated a lot at the breakdown gifting them the bloody ball.
Prinsep proved yet again what a passenger he is... over the years the Canes have had a lot of useless head coaches appointed to the franchise, the only good one that I can remember would be Boyd.
Zero to do with the defensive effort by MP? The continual hard hits behind the advantage line? The determination when their line was under threat?
Or that the Canes managed one of the tries of the tournament when MP wavered from that focus?Agree Crucial, while Canes weren't flash, I think to not give MP credit their dues is a huge mistake. Ok maybe the Canes werent on top of game, but MP in second half played well. Just a note to other teams, don't take these buggers too lightly, with a win under belts they may start believing, and when they believe in themselves they will stop the dumb penalties etc and be a dangerous team to play!
You may be right/ Time will tell
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@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that. -
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit. -
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
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@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Absolute garbage by the Canes{or is it Horrorcanes} especially against a side we should beat easily... we had most of the possession & territory, dominated the scrums, but made too many silly mistakes, also our ball carriers got isolated a lot at the breakdown gifting them the bloody ball.
Prinsep proved yet again what a passenger he is... over the years the Canes have had a lot of useless head coaches appointed to the franchise, the only good one that I can remember would be Boyd.
Cooper wasn't too bad but not good enough to win it. Boyd managed to win it so must rate as a good coach but the only reason I was happy with him is he had Plumtree as an assistant
This coaching group is quite hopeless. Its a concern as we could lose our better players. Esp our fullback (thankfully it never happened this year with Ardie and Jordie staying on) . And will find it hard to recruit high quality players if Holland is kept on
Its not the coaches to blame though its a completely useless board that has low standards. Look at the difference at the Blues now. And Chiefs understand the importance of a strong coaching team with good player recuitment
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
This coaching group is quite hopeless. Its a concern as we could lose our better players. Esp our fullback (thankfully it never happened this year with Ardie and Jordie staying on) . And will find it hard to recruit high quality players if Holland is kept on
Its not the coaches to blame though its a completely useless board that has low standards. Look at the difference at the Blues now. And Chiefs understand the importance of a strong coaching team with good player recruitment
These look to be about the only players you would not want to lose from the current squad
Definites
A. Savea
A. Aumua
J. Sangster
D. Flanders
J. Barrett
P. Umaga-Jensen
B. Sullivan
B. IoseHighly commended
T. Lomax
W. Goosen
P. Rakete-Stones
T.K. Howden
A. MorganJury still out on
R. Love
I. Walker-LeawrereNot considered due to age
D. Coles
O. FranksThe remainder could be replaced in 2023 without causing too many sleepless nights with good competent players not getting a look in elsewhere, up and comers in waiting not quite ready this season or with late bloomers like J. Sangster. That, of course, is subject to the coaching lineup as excellent coaching does seem to attract the better players in a lot of instances.
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@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
@shark said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
It was two times in a spell toward the end of the first half when the wind got up. You could see the ball blown back in. The first I could understand (didn't know the ground, caught out by the wind) but to do the same thing not long after was a bit dumb.
Don't make out that he was doing it all game though.I know you'd rather have Jordan at fullback but running down another player to make a case for your pick is silly. Let's wait and see how strongly Jordan states his case.
IMO, from what little we have seen so far Jordan's talents are wasted when he is in the more structured spot. The guy is more an opportunist (and a brilliant one at that) than a creator for others.
Happy for him to be pushing Jordie though. -
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
This coaching group is quite hopeless. Its a concern as we could lose our better players. Esp our fullback (thankfully it never happened this year with Ardie and Jordie staying on) . And will find it hard to recruit high quality players if Holland is kept on
Its not the coaches to blame though its a completely useless board that has low standards. Look at the difference at the Blues now. And Chiefs understand the importance of a strong coaching team with good player recruitment
These look to be about the only players you would not want to lose from the current squad
Definites
A. Savea
A. Aumua
J. Sangster
D. Flanders
J. Barrett
P. Umaga-Jensen
B. Sullivan
B. IoseHighly commended
T. Lomax
W. Goosen
P. Rakete-Stones
T.K. Howden
A. MorganJury still out on
R. Love
I. Walker-LeawrereNot considered due to age
D. Coles
O. FranksThe remainder could be replaced in 2023 without causing too many sleepless nights with good competent players not getting a look in elsewhere, up and comers in waiting not quite ready this season or with late bloomers like J. Sangster. That, of course, is subject to the coaching lineup as excellent coaching does seem to attract the better players in a lot of instances.
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@higgins I don't know about Sullivan. He has one VG game but the next week he was a bit ordinary
Lucky he missed this game.
@winger You could be right about that and on reflection I could rate him in the jury still out on category but compared to B. Proctor he is a no brainer for retention on the glimpses we have seen of him. His inability to cement a starting spot at the Chiefs does also hold a slight question mark next to his name.
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@shark said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
It was two times in a spell toward the end of the first half when the wind got up. You could see the ball blown back in. The first I could understand (didn't know the ground, caught out by the wind) but to do the same thing not long after was a bit dumb.
Don't make out that he was doing it all game though.I know you'd rather have Jordan at fullback but running down another player to make a case for your pick is silly. Let's wait and see how strongly Jordan states his case.
IMO, from what little we have seen so far Jordan's talents are wasted when he is in the more structured spot. The guy is more an opportunist (and a brilliant one at that) than a creator for others.
Happy for him to be pushing Jordie though. -
@crucial It was twice Im sure. Its not always easy to look great in a poorly performing team. Jordan has looked less than brilliant too in a number of games
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial It was twice Im sure. Its not always easy to look great in a poorly performing team. Jordan has looked less than brilliant too in a number of games
Yeah, I don't see why Jordan comes into this at all. Jordie played and generally played like the only one out there that could see what was needed.
Blot on his copybook was backing up an error with the same thing by not adjusting. Maybe he thought the first was unlucky but it was proven that he should have been a bit more conservative the second time.
It was clearly the wind. Maybe there was a channel of wind right in that spot but he should have adjusted.
Hopefully a lesson learned. When you play with confidence as he does you can get sucked into being over-confident. -
@hooroo said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
I don’t think for a second that MP can beat the Blues on Tuesday but they have done a great job at strumming up support last night.
I hope they get a huge vocal crowd. That will encourage them a bit more.
Blues camp won’t be stoked at having a quick turnaround against them
Haven't MP said they not letting crowd into their games until after next week, worried about covid and Island community? If so I hope they revisit decision, as they could well have a great crowd.
@dan54 said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@hooroo said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
I don’t think for a second that MP can beat the Blues on Tuesday but they have done a great job at strumming up support last night.
I hope they get a huge vocal crowd. That will encourage them a bit more.
Blues camp won’t be stoked at having a quick turnaround against them
Haven't MP said they not letting crowd into their games until after next week, worried about covid and Island community? If so I hope they revisit decision, as they could well have a great crowd.
They seem to have changed their mind as their social media is promoting ticket sales to the game.
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@dan54 said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@hooroo said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
I don’t think for a second that MP can beat the Blues on Tuesday but they have done a great job at strumming up support last night.
I hope they get a huge vocal crowd. That will encourage them a bit more.
Blues camp won’t be stoked at having a quick turnaround against them
Haven't MP said they not letting crowd into their games until after next week, worried about covid and Island community? If so I hope they revisit decision, as they could well have a great crowd.
They seem to have changed their mind as their social media is promoting ticket sales to the game.
@kiwimurph said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@dan54 said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@hooroo said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
I don’t think for a second that MP can beat the Blues on Tuesday but they have done a great job at strumming up support last night.
I hope they get a huge vocal crowd. That will encourage them a bit more.
Blues camp won’t be stoked at having a quick turnaround against them
Haven't MP said they not letting crowd into their games until after next week, worried about covid and Island community? If so I hope they revisit decision, as they could well have a great crowd.
They seem to have changed their mind as their social media is promoting ticket sales to the game.
bet the CFO got on the phone and ensured their principled stance got contextualised on going out of business due to lack of revenue.
Hopefully Tuesday night is a monster party at Mt Smart, with a triumphant Blues team and a good game to watch. -
@shark said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
It was two times in a spell toward the end of the first half when the wind got up. You could see the ball blown back in. The first I could understand (didn't know the ground, caught out by the wind) but to do the same thing not long after was a bit dumb.
Don't make out that he was doing it all game though.I know you'd rather have Jordan at fullback but running down another player to make a case for your pick is silly. Let's wait and see how strongly Jordan states his case.
IMO, from what little we have seen so far Jordan's talents are wasted when he is in the more structured spot. The guy is more an opportunist (and a brilliant one at that) than a creator for others.
Happy for him to be pushing Jordie though.@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@shark said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
It was two times in a spell toward the end of the first half when the wind got up. You could see the ball blown back in. The first I could understand (didn't know the ground, caught out by the wind) but to do the same thing not long after was a bit dumb.
Don't make out that he was doing it all game though.I know you'd rather have Jordan at fullback but running down another player to make a case for your pick is silly. Let's wait and see how strongly Jordan states his case.
IMO, from what little we have seen so far Jordan's talents are wasted when he is in the more structured spot. The guy is more an opportunist (and a brilliant one at that) than a creator for others.
Happy for him to be pushing Jordie though.Repeatedly = more than once. I'm not trying to mis-represent anything: it happened. The worst of it is that he did it twice in quick succession. Here's another saying: the definition of madness is doing something over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe it's actually arrogance. Or just stupidity. He doesn't strike me as being very bright based on his regular on field faux pas, dumb haircuts and McDonalds dining habits. Like I said, just when I warm to him again for the likes of his running lines, goal kicking and high ball takes, he goes and does something just out and out fucking thick, and I don't think I want that in the All Blacks.
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@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@shark said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.Are his team mates also supposed to miss touch from penalty kicks repeatedly?
It was two times in a spell toward the end of the first half when the wind got up. You could see the ball blown back in. The first I could understand (didn't know the ground, caught out by the wind) but to do the same thing not long after was a bit dumb.
Don't make out that he was doing it all game though.I know you'd rather have Jordan at fullback but running down another player to make a case for your pick is silly. Let's wait and see how strongly Jordan states his case.
IMO, from what little we have seen so far Jordan's talents are wasted when he is in the more structured spot. The guy is more an opportunist (and a brilliant one at that) than a creator for others.
Happy for him to be pushing Jordie though.Repeatedly = more than once. I'm not trying to mis-represent anything: it happened. The worst of it is that he did it twice in quick succession. Here's another saying: the definition of madness is doing something over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe it's actually arrogance. Or just stupidity. He doesn't strike me as being very bright based on his regular on field faux pas, dumb haircuts and McDonalds dining habits. Like I said, just when I warm to him again for the likes of his running lines, goal kicking and high ball takes, he goes and does something just out and out fucking thick, and I don't think I want that in the All Blacks.
@shark said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
He doesn't strike me as being very bright based
McDonalds dining habits. I missed this. Is he a regular at McDonalds
edit Ok Remember now
You can dislike him but hes the only starting AB back we have
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None of the Canes' 2021 ABs led that team from the front. Poor effort, but hopefully that was due to covid.
@tim said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
None of the Canes' 2021 ABs led that team from the front. Poor effort, but hopefully that was due to covid.
Only one (Jordie) was a regular starter. With Perenara like he had been out of action for a long time
I just hope the Canes can pick it up from here on. The need a lot more muscle in the team. Ardie back will make a big difference as he carried the team at times. They need a few more like him though.
I think the bLues win and Ardies form covers a lot of issues they have
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TJ is a big part of the problem, too much headless chook stuff, putting pressure on all those around him.
I think the canes need to.start looking beyond him, he'd be better for them coming off the bench, just lacking in controlling himself and the game the way the canes need.
Big ups to MP for thier heart and determination, but I think if the canes were even a little smart they would have won that comfortably.
Far be it for me to defend Pickerill as a ref, cos I've banged the Pickerill is a poor ref drum for years now, but it is a shame that every thread has almost every other post is moaning about the ref.
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Actually thought young Aiden Morgan while having a good run or two was a bit rash last night. IWhile being pleased for MP's win, and believing they played well, if the top couple of inches in team believe they have won game before start, it makes it hard to switch back on. There was some pretty ordinary use of wind in second half, almost as if they thought it was really worth points just by it being there.
