Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes
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In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
In a way the game showcased many of the problems that we face at a national level. When the Canes weren't allowed to play the way they wanted to they were clueless.
The good sign was that players like JB realised what to do, which was impact at speed, running at gaps up the middle. Pity his teammates didn't follow suit.I did like that Jordie came into 1st receiver far more in the 2nd half to try and impact the game.
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Interesting article on Stuff today about Perenara's loss of form over the years. The decline started 2016 and the then went off a cliff in 2019.
@toddy said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Interesting article on Stuff today about Perenara's loss of form over the years. The decline started 2016 and the then went off a cliff in 2019.
Nice of the article to point out over and over again that he’s gone vegan.
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Interesting article on Stuff today about Perenara's loss of form over the years. The decline started 2016 and the then went off a cliff in 2019.
@toddy said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Interesting article on Stuff today about Perenara's loss of form over the years. The decline started 2016 and the then went off a cliff in 2019.
“But my reasoning isn't against the local farmer who's doing something for their family, it's for those major corporations who are mass-producing meat that we don’t need that then goes to waste.”
Pretty easy to find ethically and sustainable raised meat these days TJ.
I think it’s more to do with being someone who likes to have a bit of a crusade.As for the impact of his diet, maybe Kat Darry has it under control but when he returned from Japan and being left to himself he looked like death warmed up.
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@toddy said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Interesting article on Stuff today about Perenara's loss of form over the years. The decline started 2016 and the then went off a cliff in 2019.
“But my reasoning isn't against the local farmer who's doing something for their family, it's for those major corporations who are mass-producing meat that we don’t need that then goes to waste.”
Pretty easy to find ethically and sustainable raised meat these days TJ.
I think it’s more to do with being someone who likes to have a bit of a crusade.As for the impact of his diet, maybe Kat Darry has it under control but when he returned from Japan and being left to himself he looked like death warmed up.
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@toddy said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Interesting article on Stuff today about Perenara's loss of form over the years. The decline started 2016 and the then went off a cliff in 2019.
“But my reasoning isn't against the local farmer who's doing something for their family, it's for those major corporations who are mass-producing meat that we don’t need that then goes to waste.”
Pretty easy to find ethically and sustainable raised meat these days TJ.
I think it’s more to do with being someone who likes to have a bit of a crusade.As for the impact of his diet, maybe Kat Darry has it under control but when he returned from Japan and being left to himself he looked like death warmed up.
Being Vegan in Japan is really fucking hard, so I'm not surprised that he looked like shit.
We hired someone (from overseas) who really struggled here as it turns out that she was quite strict vegetarian (much stricter than we thought). if you aren't prepared to be a fish/vego here and don't love Japanese food, it really sucks.
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Late to this so just my brief thoughts:
- TJ is past it. He's so inaccurate now in everything he does. I don't know if he's overthinking it but he is so nervy / prone to error with the slightest bit of pressure at any ruck. It's sad how far he's fallen as he is one of the great Canes in his prime.
- Morgan took on the line too much for me. Promising player but not a smart way to play against MP.
- We needed to take the 3s. We obviously expected to thrash them turning down 3s we'd take against any other team.
- When Ardie plays he keeps us in games, but also can make us seem better than we are. He's that good.
- PUJ was good as usual. He needs to start in the midfield with Sullivan.
- Love has to start. He is streets ahead of Morgan & JGB.
- I want IWL back. He has size and a skill set. Partner him with Sangster.
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@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
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@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
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@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
Right here is your chance to sort out the well below NPC standard club players from this lot.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/251911/six-new-caps-in-lions-squad
There looks to be plenty of International players from NZ, Tonga, Samoa, England, Fiji and possibly Australia (Woodward?) thrown in with those that played 7s internationally and it does get me wondering which are those few club players that were so bad that this squad suddenly became "a very weak team". Their results do indicate this but that must mean the Hurricanes in particular must also be considered "very weak" given the large numbers in the 2014 Lions. Somehow the Hurricanes became world beaters very shortly afterward.
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@nzbloke Shields Fifita Filipo Vito and Procter all played in the 50 point loss to Counties. I don't recall it quite the way you do.
@arhs said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Shields Fifita Filipo Vito and Procter all played in the 50 point loss to Counties. I don't recall it quite the way you do.
My whangai played in that particular game and he related to me afterward how Tana consoled the Lions players in the changing room afterward and he said Tana, who was part of the Counties coaching staff that season, was certainly feeling the Lions slaughtering very hard to take.
It was pretty tough going for me that season consoling my boy after every loss and keeping him encouraged as he takes losses extremely hard. Naturally I had to hide my enjoyment at the crappiness of the Lions!!!!! -
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
Right here is your chance to sort out the well below NPC standard club players from this lot.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/251911/six-new-caps-in-lions-squad
There looks to be plenty of International players from NZ, Tonga, Samoa, England, Fiji and possibly Australia (Woodward?) thrown in with those that played 7s internationally and it does get me wondering which are those few club players that were so bad that this squad suddenly became "a very weak team". Their results do indicate this but that must mean the Hurricanes in particular must also be considered "very weak" given the large numbers in the 2014 Lions. Somehow the Hurricanes became world beaters very shortly afterward.
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My Canes mate hasn’t watched this yet and it’s annoying me as I want to the rub the result in his face. I don’t want to spoil it for him either as a want to see maximum disappointment on his face.
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@kiwimurph said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia he's managed to avoid the result since Friday? Impressive.
He always manages to avoid the weekend results, as he can never watch the game until mid week when his missus is studying. :man_facepalming_medium_skin_tone:
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@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
Right here is your chance to sort out the well below NPC standard club players from this lot.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/251911/six-new-caps-in-lions-squad
There looks to be plenty of International players from NZ, Tonga, Samoa, England, Fiji and possibly Australia (Woodward?) thrown in with those that played 7s internationally and it does get me wondering which are those few club players that were so bad that this squad suddenly became "a very weak team". Their results do indicate this but that must mean the Hurricanes in particular must also be considered "very weak" given the large numbers in the 2014 Lions. Somehow the Hurricanes became world beaters very shortly afterward.
@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@higgins said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nzbloke Wellington were relegated under Mr. Boyd's stewardship in 2014, the year prior to him taking over as head coach at the Hurricanes. he certainly did not endear himself much to Lions supporters that year with his 90 percent losing record nor the -167 points differential. That was helped no end by spectacular thumpings from Northland (05 - 35) and the Tana Umaga coached Counties (07 - 55)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ITM_Cup
Earl Va'a took over in 2015 and failed to beat Hawkes Bay in either of the two games played between the sides that season and were thus consigned to a another season in the Championship Division. The 2015 season proved to the only one he held the coaching reigns at the Lions. Think he traded that role in for the 1st XV Coaching job at Scots College but my memory is a bit hazy on the time of that.Can remember Boyd getting us through to a NPC Final, think it was 2013 ? ...pretty sure in 2014 we had a massive injury count, had to dig that deep & select club players that were well below NPC standard, because of that situation were forced into selecting a very weak team, so the head coach didn't really come into play, he basically had nothing to work with, so naturally most of the other sides were going to thrash us.
Pretty sure Earl Va'a coached the Wgtn Lions for two years, that was two years too long, the bloke was utterly useless.
Right here is your chance to sort out the well below NPC standard club players from this lot.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/251911/six-new-caps-in-lions-squad
There looks to be plenty of International players from NZ, Tonga, Samoa, England, Fiji and possibly Australia (Woodward?) thrown in with those that played 7s internationally and it does get me wondering which are those few club players that were so bad that this squad suddenly became "a very weak team". Their results do indicate this but that must mean the Hurricanes in particular must also be considered "very weak" given the large numbers in the 2014 Lions. Somehow the Hurricanes became world beaters very shortly afterward.
The whole point was you saying Boyd wasn't much of a coach back before he coached the Canes, he couldn't have been too bad in 2013 where he coached the Lions through to the NPC final in 2013 against Canterbury... also 2014 was about 8 years back, hard to remember all the details.
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@kiwimurph said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia he's managed to avoid the result since Friday? Impressive.
Haven't avoided the result at all, just haven't had much time to get back lately.
In golden point time the Canes went through 12 phases deep in MP territory, the ref could have easily pinged them 3 or 4 times in front of their posts, then shortly after MP kicked the ball through to score the try, could've been a different result... if the Canes play as badly as that against the Crusaders they'll put 50 points on us.
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Absolute garbage by the Canes{or is it Horrorcanes} especially against a side we should beat easily... we had most of the possession & territory, dominated the scrums, but made too many silly mistakes, also our ball carriers got isolated a lot at the breakdown gifting them the bloody ball.
Prinsep proved yet again what a passenger he is... over the years the Canes have had a lot of useless head coaches appointed to the franchise, the only good one that I can remember would be Boyd.
@nzbloke said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
The whole point was you saying Boyd wasn't much of a coach back before he coached the Canes, he couldn't have been too bad in 2013 where he coached the Lions through to the NPC final in 2013 against Canterbury... also 2014 was about 8 years back, hard to remember all the details.
I said nothing of the sort. I was responding to your comment that Chris Boyd was the last decent coach the Hurricanes had and I was just pointing out he did have that one particular failing, which you seem to have overlooked. There was certainly no indication on how I rated Mr. Boyd's coaching ability.
Then you disparaged the Lions 2015 squad and when provided with the squad and politiely asked whch players were less than NPC standard you claim that it was eight years back and too long ago to remember all details, yet apparently not long enough ago for you to make the comment about players ability. Now your memory has been jogged you should have no problem in recalling exactly who you were referring to.
