Chiefs vs Crusaders
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This game reminded of when the ABs used to be good and they could string along a team for 60 mins absorbing nearly everything and then running away with it comfortably without ever really being under any real pressure.
That was tidy tonight by the Crusaders
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@hooroo yeah I totally agree, you're absolutely right we clearly need more Crusaders in the All Blacks, and of course the coach.
@canerbry said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
@hooroo yeah I totally agree, you're absolutely right we clearly need more Crusaders in the All Blacks, and of course the coach.
I’ll take the coach. Could not give a shit who the ABs play for.
One thing for sure is Jordan should be FB. Jordie isn’t a patch on him
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For all the funny stuff during the week the simple fact is all of the Crusaders points were scored by All Blacks (or a guy who should have been last year and will be this year)
And by all accounts those big names in the Chiefs might be cooked.
This seems bad for AB rugby.
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For all the funny stuff during the week the simple fact is all of the Crusaders points were scored by All Blacks (or a guy who should have been last year and will be this year)
And by all accounts those big names in the Chiefs might be cooked.
This seems bad for AB rugby.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
For all the funny stuff during the week the simple fact is all of the Crusaders points were scored by All Blacks (or a guy who should have been last year and will be this year)
And by all accounts those big names in the Chiefs might be cooked.
This seems bad for AB rugby.
Lol Leicester? As long as he's nowhere near the midfield!
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Cane was one of the Chiefses best, but yes Finlay Christie had a blinder. Blackadder also.
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For all the funny stuff during the week the simple fact is all of the Crusaders points were scored by All Blacks (or a guy who should have been last year and will be this year)
And by all accounts those big names in the Chiefs might be cooked.
This seems bad for AB rugby.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
For all the funny stuff during the week the simple fact is all of the Crusaders points were scored by All Blacks (or a guy who should have been last year and will be this year)
And by all accounts those big names in the Chiefs might be cooked.
This seems bad for AB rugby.
Actually when you look at that squad there weren't really too many big names playing for the Chiefs.
Weber had a shitter though but the stupid kicking tactics didn't help there; Cane had a pretty good game, got through a heap of work, but Christie was getting turnovers with impunity (I joked about Crusaders leeway at the ruck earlier in the thread but I think he got lucky with a couple); Retallick went off early.
That's really it for big names from the Chiefs in this match.
Of the slightly big names Vai'i was pretty quiet, Tupaea was average and went off fairly early, Taukei'aho was good, Lord pretty anonymous.
Of the not so big names Nankivell had a blinder. Trask was awful, Stevenson was his normal rocks and diamonds, Gatland was Gatland and Finau was way off the pace.
On Christie, that was easily the most complete game I've seen him play. Normally he just tackles, he added
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Too many mistakes tonight.
I said before the game it would be a battle of the coaches. Razor did well with tactics and we got Gatland to get his losing record going again.
@crucial said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
Too many mistakes tonight.
I said before the game it would be a battle of the coaches. Razor did well with tactics and we got Gatland to get his losing record going again.
The Crusaders cleaning up the penalties was the biggest difference from last week.
A coach who actually identifies problems and solves them... imagine that Fozzie?
Born from a much improved approach at the breakdown. A couple of their tries were born from lightning quick ball, which you just don't get against the Chiefs very often. They were first to the ruck on defence and on attack, even on the kick chase, they were able to get over the ball and then attack. They made a muck. The Chiefs defended hard and attacked with intent yet they couldn't hold onto the ball for more then five rucks. Razor implemented his gameplan to perfection tonight.
Crusaders missing Whitelock, Matera, Goodhue, McAllister, Ennor, Moody & others executed a very comprehensive win.
Well done Razor. Overtook Blackadder's wins as coach today after just 6 seasons. 87% win record - 23 higher than Blackadder & 14 higher than Robbie Deans (of whom had considerably stronger Crusader squads at their disposal including multiple GOAT's and all time franchise legends).
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@machpants said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
That was shit by 13, he should stay on the wing, cos that was awful
That was Fihaki defending at Centre who came in Leicester was defending at first five with Mounga on the wing .
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@toddy said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
WTF was Leicester doing there. Really bad read on defence.
That was Fihaki defending at Centre who came in Leicester was defending at first five with Mounga on the wing .
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Huge choke from the Chiefs:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Seriously though, the biggest thing I got from this game is the "learnings" the coaching staff of the Crusaders got from the first game against the Chiefs. The things the Crusaders had obviously worked on was obvious. They didn't attack the breakdown in the first game, this game the adjustment was really obvious. The point I am making, is why don't we see this kind of progression in the ABs? -
Have to say that Gatland is the 3rd best 10 in the country, even behind a beaten pack he's looked pretty good.
@tj said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
Have to say that Gatland is the 3rd best 10 in the country, even behind a beaten pack he's looked pretty good.
Yeah I was watching it with half an eye on it and saw the Chiefs 10 running onto the ball and throwing passes out in front of his teammates to run into. Wondered to myself who that was because those two skills alone are two things that our top two 10s fail to do consistently (especially when not getting an armchair ride upfront)
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Cane was one of the Chiefses best, but yes Finlay Christie had a blinder. Blackadder also.
@canerbry Thought Grace was outstanding as well.
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Phew. We were supposed to lose that by about a hundred. To come away with a win is one of the all-time great upsets. Forget North Macedonia besting Italy in football World Cup qualifying; this win takes the cake.
We might actually be a chance of winning this comp!
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@crucial said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
Too many mistakes tonight.
I said before the game it would be a battle of the coaches. Razor did well with tactics and we got Gatland to get his losing record going again.
The Crusaders cleaning up the penalties was the biggest difference from last week.
A coach who actually identifies problems and solves them... imagine that Fozzie?
Born from a much improved approach at the breakdown. A couple of their tries were born from lightning quick ball, which you just don't get against the Chiefs very often. They were first to the ruck on defence and on attack, even on the kick chase, they were able to get over the ball and then attack. They made a muck. The Chiefs defended hard and attacked with intent yet they couldn't hold onto the ball for more then five rucks. Razor implemented his gameplan to perfection tonight.
Crusaders missing Whitelock, Matera, Goodhue, McAllister, Ennor, Moody & others executed a very comprehensive win.
Well done Razor. Overtook Blackadder's wins as coach today after just 6 seasons. 87% win record - 23 higher than Blackadder & 14 higher than Robbie Deans (of whom had considerably stronger Crusader squads at their disposal including multiple GOAT's and all time franchise legends).
@kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
@crucial said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
Too many mistakes tonight.
I said before the game it would be a battle of the coaches. Razor did well with tactics and we got Gatland to get his losing record going again.
The Crusaders cleaning up the penalties was the biggest difference from last week.
A coach who actually identifies problems and solves them... imagine that Fozzie?
Born from a much improved approach at the breakdown. A couple of their tries were born from lightning quick ball, which you just don't get against the Chiefs very often. They were first to the ruck on defence and on attack, even on the kick chase, they were able to get over the ball and then attack. They made a muck. The Chiefs defended hard and attacked with intent yet they couldn't hold onto the ball for more then five rucks. Razor implemented his gameplan to perfection tonight.
Crusaders missing Whitelock, Matera, Goodhue, McAllister, Ennor, Moody & others executed a very comprehensive win.
Well done Razor. Overtook Blackadder's wins as coach today after just 6 seasons. 87% win record - 23 higher than Blackadder & 14 higher than Robbie Deans (of whom had considerably stronger Crusader squads at their disposal including multiple GOAT's and all time franchise legends).
Very debatable point about which coaches had the strongest squads. Deans certainly had the deepest squads, most frontline AB talent, a good dose of razzle dazzle and a couple of the best ever guys in their positions. Blackadder inherited much of that but after 2011 had very little outside back talent most seasons and on top of that he was a terrible backline selector so we saw some shocking combinations. I would say Razor's squads have had much more talented backs across the board and he's had great forward depth generally. So I'd say in order of the best squads it'd go Deans, then Razor then Smallbladder.
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Cane convincingly outplayed by Christie again. I’d say that Christie would be a shoe in for the All Blacks, but Foster………
@stag said in Chiefs vs Crusaders:
Cane convincingly outplayed by Christie again. I’d say that Christie would be a shoe in for the All Blacks, but Foster………
Really?? I think you need to watch game again, I agree Christie had a blinder, but Cane had a pearler too, playing how I want a 7 to play at test level. Just watch how incredibly quick he is off ground after a tackle etc, and how good his defence is. I not in anyway taking anything away from Christie who reminds me of Matt Todd, will die for the jersey you think, and part of a pretty good loose forward trio, but not someone who screams test player to me. Papalií is also more of a test type player I think.
