Brumbies v Blues
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A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
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@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
@Damo said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
Thanks. Pretty hard to see how we got a charge/touch yesterday unless the kick was shite.
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@Damo said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
Thanks. Pretty hard to see how we got a charge/touch yesterday unless the kick was shite.
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
Thanks. Pretty hard to see how we got a charge/touch yesterday unless the kick was shite.
I didn't notice that, which game?
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@Damo Crusaders exist. They are always odds on favourites and wont miss out on the final due to BP shenanigans this time.
@Derpus said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Damo Crusaders exist. They are always odds on favourites and wont miss out on the final due to BP shenanigans this time.
We have been underdogs all season.
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I've not watched the match, I couldn't stay up as I have been beaten over every inch of my body by the covid stick, but so funny reading through this thread and the one in the roar. Virtually identical, just swap the accusations of cheating ref to the other team, and the other team's infringements being ignored. Then there a few scattered about saying the ref had not favoured any team, he's just incompetent - the voices of reason!
@Machpants said in Brumbies v Blues:
I've not watched the match, I couldn't stay up as I have been beaten over every inch of my body by the covid stick, but so funny reading through this thread and the one in the roar. Virtually identical, just swap the accusations of cheating ref to the other team, and the other team's infringements being ignored. Then there a few scattered about saying the ref had not favoured any team, he's just incompetent - the voices of reason!
But do they have zero insight? Because that’s what sets us apart
Hope you get well soon mate.
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Watching a replay, and up to halftime.
Daaaaaaymon started out OK, but just seemed to swallow his whistle at the ruck. Some mind boggling non-calls, just remarkable.
Massive win. This had banana skin all over it; playing away, against a desparate Brumbies, with an underpowered pack (Segner and Darry) and missing Rieko. Brumbies were just massively disruptive, and well done to them for getting away from it. Super frustrating to watch though, and Nic White is awesome at niggling.
Anyway, with the ref blowing thigns the way he did, and to nto convert so many chances, to go down late and come back - that's a massive win.
Caleb Clarke was monstrous in that first half, huge workrate and breaking tackles all over the place.
So, will take that. Can see a few players getting a rest next week, to freshen up for the finals. Feels good to quality first, and looking forward to knockout rugby!
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@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
Thanks. Pretty hard to see how we got a charge/touch yesterday unless the kick was shite.
I didn't notice that, which game?
@Damo said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Damo said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Crucial said in Brumbies v Blues:
A question about the goal line dropout.
Does it work like the 22 where the non kicking team can come right up to the line?
That seems odd to me given that scrums, lineouts, free kicks etc must all be 5 metres back. The depth of the in goal varies as well so the kicking team can be quite “squashed “No it's not the same as a 22m dropout.
The non kicking team must be 5 metres back until the kick.
The kick must cross the 5m line.
Thanks. Pretty hard to see how we got a charge/touch yesterday unless the kick was shite.
I didn't notice that, which game?
Can’t remember now. Could have been Chiefs
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The bizarre thing about goal line 22 rule, is that a player caught by a couple of oppo and doubtful to force the ball for a try is actually BETTER to pull himself BACKWARDS so as to stay in the field of play.
Seems totally perverse to me.
P.S. Doesn’t apply to Big Karl.
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@Damo The worst decision was RTS not getting yellow-carded, but yeah, that decision was wrong, too.
@Stargazer said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Damo The worst decision was RTS not getting yellow-carded, but yeah, that decision was wrong, too.
I would suggest that could of been a penalty try. illegal tackle to stop try is meant to be ruled that way. Though the Brums scored from penalty more or less so didn't effect too much.
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Watching a replay, and up to halftime.
Daaaaaaymon started out OK, but just seemed to swallow his whistle at the ruck. Some mind boggling non-calls, just remarkable.
Massive win. This had banana skin all over it; playing away, against a desparate Brumbies, with an underpowered pack (Segner and Darry) and missing Rieko. Brumbies were just massively disruptive, and well done to them for getting away from it. Super frustrating to watch though, and Nic White is awesome at niggling.
Anyway, with the ref blowing thigns the way he did, and to nto convert so many chances, to go down late and come back - that's a massive win.
Caleb Clarke was monstrous in that first half, huge workrate and breaking tackles all over the place.
So, will take that. Can see a few players getting a rest next week, to freshen up for the finals. Feels good to quality first, and looking forward to knockout rugby!
@nzzp said in Brumbies v Blues:
Watching a replay, and up to halftime.
Daaaaaaymon started out OK, but just seemed to swallow his whistle at the ruck. Some mind boggling non-calls, just remarkable.
Massive win. This had banana skin all over it; playing away, against a desparate Brumbies, with an underpowered pack (Segner and Darry) and missing Rieko. Brumbies were just massively disruptive, and well done to them for getting away from it. Super frustrating to watch though, and Nic White is awesome at niggling.
Anyway, with the ref blowing thigns the way he did, and to nto convert so many chances, to go down late and come back - that's a massive win.
Caleb Clarke was monstrous in that first half, huge workrate and breaking tackles all over the place.
So, will take that. Can see a few players getting a rest next week, to freshen up for the finals. Feels good to quality first, and looking forward to knockout rugby!
Agreed. Given the disruption this had warning signs all over it. A few seasons ago the Blues would've gotten blown out but shows how far they've evolved.
IMO Brumbies have themselves to blame for the lopsided penalty count. When you give away so much territory and posession and then go hard at the breakdown, invariably you will infringe and the ref will give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Brumbies were off their feet, coming in on an angle, taking out the halfback..it was disruptive but then you have to wear the penalty count.
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@nzzp said in Brumbies v Blues:
Watching a replay, and up to halftime.
Daaaaaaymon started out OK, but just seemed to swallow his whistle at the ruck. Some mind boggling non-calls, just remarkable.
Massive win. This had banana skin all over it; playing away, against a desparate Brumbies, with an underpowered pack (Segner and Darry) and missing Rieko. Brumbies were just massively disruptive, and well done to them for getting away from it. Super frustrating to watch though, and Nic White is awesome at niggling.
Anyway, with the ref blowing thigns the way he did, and to nto convert so many chances, to go down late and come back - that's a massive win.
Caleb Clarke was monstrous in that first half, huge workrate and breaking tackles all over the place.
So, will take that. Can see a few players getting a rest next week, to freshen up for the finals. Feels good to quality first, and looking forward to knockout rugby!
Agreed. Given the disruption this had warning signs all over it. A few seasons ago the Blues would've gotten blown out but shows how far they've evolved.
IMO Brumbies have themselves to blame for the lopsided penalty count. When you give away so much territory and posession and then go hard at the breakdown, invariably you will infringe and the ref will give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Brumbies were off their feet, coming in on an angle, taking out the halfback..it was disruptive but then you have to wear the penalty count.
@TheMojoman said in Brumbies v Blues:
IMO Brumbies have themselves to blame for the lopsided penalty count. When you give away so much territory and posession and then go hard at the breakdown, invariably you will infringe and the ref will give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Brumbies were off their feet, coming in on an angle, taking out the halfback..it was disruptive but then you have to wear the penalty count.
I think they went by the 'they can't ping everything' mindset. And to be fair, Daaaymon stopped bothering for a while.
I'm still shaking my head at some of the interpretations around the ruck in particular. Was a totally different sport.
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@nzzp said in Brumbies v Blues:
Watching a replay, and up to halftime.
Daaaaaaymon started out OK, but just seemed to swallow his whistle at the ruck. Some mind boggling non-calls, just remarkable.
Massive win. This had banana skin all over it; playing away, against a desparate Brumbies, with an underpowered pack (Segner and Darry) and missing Rieko. Brumbies were just massively disruptive, and well done to them for getting away from it. Super frustrating to watch though, and Nic White is awesome at niggling.
Anyway, with the ref blowing thigns the way he did, and to nto convert so many chances, to go down late and come back - that's a massive win.
Caleb Clarke was monstrous in that first half, huge workrate and breaking tackles all over the place.
So, will take that. Can see a few players getting a rest next week, to freshen up for the finals. Feels good to quality first, and looking forward to knockout rugby!
Agreed. Given the disruption this had warning signs all over it. A few seasons ago the Blues would've gotten blown out but shows how far they've evolved.
IMO Brumbies have themselves to blame for the lopsided penalty count. When you give away so much territory and posession and then go hard at the breakdown, invariably you will infringe and the ref will give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Brumbies were off their feet, coming in on an angle, taking out the halfback..it was disruptive but then you have to wear the penalty count.
@TheMojoman
I don’t think that many Brumbies supporters had much off a problem with penalties conceded, it was the lack of penalties that we thought should’ve been handed out to the Blues. -
@TheMojoman
I don’t think that many Brumbies supporters had much off a problem with penalties conceded, it was the lack of penalties that we thought should’ve been handed out to the Blues.@yourmatenate said in Brumbies v Blues:
@TheMojoman
I don’t think that many Brumbies supporters had much off a problem with penalties conceded, it was the lack of penalties that we thought should’ve been handed out to the Blues.Happy to hand those over if you concede your uncalled penalties as well. The tactics at the breakdown were very cynical from the Brumbies.
Ref chickened out after two yellows as you should have had more.
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@TheMojoman said in Brumbies v Blues:
IMO Brumbies have themselves to blame for the lopsided penalty count. When you give away so much territory and posession and then go hard at the breakdown, invariably you will infringe and the ref will give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Brumbies were off their feet, coming in on an angle, taking out the halfback..it was disruptive but then you have to wear the penalty count.
I think they went by the 'they can't ping everything' mindset. And to be fair, Daaaymon stopped bothering for a while.
I'm still shaking my head at some of the interpretations around the ruck in particular. Was a totally different sport.
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@TheMojoman said in Brumbies v Blues:
IMO Brumbies have themselves to blame for the lopsided penalty count. When you give away so much territory and posession and then go hard at the breakdown, invariably you will infringe and the ref will give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Brumbies were off their feet, coming in on an angle, taking out the halfback..it was disruptive but then you have to wear the penalty count.
I think they went by the 'they can't ping everything' mindset. And to be fair, Daaaymon stopped bothering for a while.
I'm still shaking my head at some of the interpretations around the ruck in particular. Was a totally different sport.
@nzzp Dead right. They knew exactly what they were doing and giving away penalties was part of their gameplan which would the get the crowd onto Murphy's back, forcing him into second guessing himself, and it worked. That was one of the most cynical performances I have seen in a long time.
We saw in the last play before the drop goal how easy it was to charge up the field when they weren't allowed to infringe, and sure enough l, they still couldn't help themselves.
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@yourmatenate said in Brumbies v Blues:
@TheMojoman
I don’t think that many Brumbies supporters had much off a problem with penalties conceded, it was the lack of penalties that we thought should’ve been handed out to the Blues.Happy to hand those over if you concede your uncalled penalties as well. The tactics at the breakdown were very cynical from the Brumbies.
Ref chickened out after two yellows as you should have had more.
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@Kirwan
And the YC that should’ve been given to RTS?@yourmatenate said in Brumbies v Blues:
@Kirwan
And the YC that should’ve been given to RTS?Let me play devils advocate.
Which was the more critical error between errors in that 5 minute period between:
(a) The non PK (and arguable YC) against Brumbies for tackler not releasing 5 out from the line
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(b) The PK but non YC (and arguable PT) against RTS.
In (a) Brumbies got a scrum for a knockon and were able to clear their line
In (b) Brumbies scored a try from the resulting PK anyway.
If we are counting misdeeds from the referee, I would have thought in that passage of 5 minutes the Blues were the ones who were hard done by. The Brumbies scored a converted try anyway.
My thesis is that the referee was just a level out of his depth and made a tonne of mistakes to both teams. Neither team was particularly more hard done by than the other.
