Wallabies v Springboks 1
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@Rapido said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
P.s. highlights package didnt even show the Korobiete tackle everyone on here is talking about. Sounds like a fantastic piece of rugby action that should make any highlights package.
Regardless of whether it is then slowed down to a hundredth of its real speed while amateur physiologists try to compare arm wrapping speeds to shoulder rimpact speeds. That part sounds like real fun, I'm so sad I haven't been able to join in with this must-see part of being a rugby fan.
There's a saffa whine fest about it already, just search you tube for worst ref performance ever lol
@Machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Rapido said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
P.s. highlights package didnt even show the Korobiete tackle everyone on here is talking about. Sounds like a fantastic piece of rugby action that should make any highlights package.
Regardless of whether it is then slowed down to a hundredth of its real speed while amateur physiologists try to compare arm wrapping speeds to shoulder rimpact speeds. That part sounds like real fun, I'm so sad I haven't been able to join in with this must-see part of being a rugby fan.
There's a saffa whine fest about it already, just search you tube for worst ref performance ever lol
Easily fixed. Pact and armbands for next test.
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That still above isnt the moment of contact. Daylight (or rather, a different wallabies jersey) between them.
@Rapido said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
That still above isnt the moment of contact. Daylight (or rather, a different wallabies jersey) between them.
I have checked and there is contact before the ball carrier leaves the ground.
As I said, he is certainly trying to leap but if his feet are still on the ground he hasn't leaped yet (despite shifting body weight) IMO.
Even if he is deemed to be leaping into the tackle that doesn't make the tackle legal though.
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@Rapido said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
That still above isnt the moment of contact. Daylight (or rather, a different wallabies jersey) between them.
I have checked and there is contact before the ball carrier leaves the ground.
As I said, he is certainly trying to leap but if his feet are still on the ground he hasn't leaped yet (despite shifting body weight) IMO.
Even if he is deemed to be leaping into the tackle that doesn't make the tackle legal though. -
@Rapido you've told us this over and over. Glad you enjoyed it.
Personally I think it was worth a closer look. This isn't league. Flying at players like a missile with your arm trailing shouldn't be part of union.
Yes, it was an awesome piece of effort up to the contact but also something we see far too often. Yes it was also spectacular. -
@Crucial Except you can clearly see an attempt from Koroibete's right hand - in your own still (a fucking stupid way to assess this shit) - to wrap.
Bit hard when the dude jumps into you and you are moving at the speed of sound.
@Derpus said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Crucial Except you can clearly see an attempt from Koroibete's right hand - in your own still (a fucking stupid way to assess this shit) - to wrap.
Bit hard when the dude jumps into you and you are moving at the speed of sound.
Attempt, yes. Did he wrap? No. (not in my opinion). Yes, it is hard when things change in front of you faster than you can react but that's the game and probably loads of penalties. Timing is important.
However the ref was at least consistent in his rulings as he also allowed no arms dives at the lower legs with late attempts to wrap.
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@Derpus said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Crucial Except you can clearly see an attempt from Koroibete's right hand - in your own still (a fucking stupid way to assess this shit) - to wrap.
Bit hard when the dude jumps into you and you are moving at the speed of sound.
Attempt, yes. Did he wrap? No. (not in my opinion). Yes, it is hard when things change in front of you faster than you can react but that's the game and probably loads of penalties. Timing is important.
However the ref was at least consistent in his rulings as he also allowed no arms dives at the lower legs with late attempts to wrap.
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@Crucial yeah because Mapimpi turned and jumped into contact. The only person endangering Mapimpi was Mapimpi.
@Derpus said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Crucial yeah because Mapimpi turned and jumped into contact. The only person endangering Mapimpi was Mapimpi.
Are Mapimpi's feet on the ground when the contact is made? Yes.
Are we talking about danger from him flying in the air? No.
Do the laws state this "A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without attempting to grasp that player."? Yes.I am happy that it is all in a split second and my view is not definitive. All I am saying is that it is a tight interpretative decision that wasn't looked at in that respect.
Shoulder charges and flying missile 'tackles' are not part of Union. Watch league if you want those.
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@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
In an Owen Farrell kind of way.
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@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
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@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
@Higgins said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
Shall we call the latter the Vanilla Ice tackle method?
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@MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
Tremendous win for Australia
Quite frankly any match reffed by Williams is a hard watch
True dat. Not one of our better exports.
The things being complained about though could be made a bit more quiet by better communication though. The tackle in the corner if he clearly explained that he saw enough use of the arm to be consistent with the rest of the game.
Personally I didn’t think that the timing was right with the arm and if timing is so very important in things like head contact or aerial contests then it should be in this case. The whole point in union of having to use the arms in a tackle is to lessen the impact of a pointed shoulder. If you arm hasn’t come around enough because of late timing then you’ve got it wrong IMO.
Blaming Williams is crazy though. For some odd reason the Boks go well away from their successful game plans when they play Australia. It’s like they are suddenly scared to use the high ball that works so well for them. They get more passive in defence and get moved around too much. They should be doing the opposite and forcing Oz into a grind.@Crucial i think two things can be true at the same time. For me Williams made two bad mistakes against South Africa (and if i was an Aussie id find as many at least as many going the other way) For the record its the scrum penalty on the line where slipper went square to the scrum and line out drive in the second half when 19 canary tackled the maul down it was ruled that South Africa brought it down. I guess i can add backend block Reight did for his second try, but those are rarely picked up.
The frustration is with a lot of big calls that were in referee discretion that didnt go our way, the high tackle on Lolesio VS the first Koriobete tackle on Vermeulen, the skew throw called against Dweba, the high tackle on Reight on the goal line, the second warning for maul offenses against Faainga, the Koriobete tackle, the de Klerk slap. Individually non of those calls were wrong per se, but we didnt get lucky, or were unlucky with how the chips fell in a lot of those cases. Had these 50 50 calls been split more evenly there would be far less complaints, but we wouldnt have won.
But regardless of how Williams performed, we lost this one on the back of a number of individual errors. You can't simply miss the opening kick off of the gamen, miss a second one later on, have your kicker go 1 from 3 off easy kicks, knock the ball on something like 12 times and have at least two grubbers charged down when youre on attack.
A bunch of very important players are not playing well at the moment, Pollard, Vermeulen and PSDT are in poor form and Rasnaber are trying to play them into form and you cant do that at this at test level. Steyn hasnt played rugby at a decent level for a number years, but he is in squad to give him game time. Dweba is a better player than he has shown in last two games, but the squad selction and doctrine of having Marx on the bench is painting them into corner.
Im less angry about this loss than i was about Ellis Park, which I felt was more of gutless performance. This one was had a lot of players letting the team down, but the effort was at least there.
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
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@MiketheSnow isnt the rule you can't dive on him?
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@MiketheSnow isnt the rule you can't dive on him?
Exactly
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
@MiketheSnow Faf should never took a swipe in the first place. Thing is Saffers culture is to come back harder on the field, never diving or acting. That's more Aussies line. I througt that was a perfect boxing right, perfect swing, connecting perfect the way he dive.
Aussie addition to rugby. It's a shame to see this on a rugby pitch.
