Wallabies v Springboks 1
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@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
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@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
@Higgins said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
Shall we call the latter the Vanilla Ice tackle method?
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@MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
Tremendous win for Australia
Quite frankly any match reffed by Williams is a hard watch
True dat. Not one of our better exports.
The things being complained about though could be made a bit more quiet by better communication though. The tackle in the corner if he clearly explained that he saw enough use of the arm to be consistent with the rest of the game.
Personally I didn’t think that the timing was right with the arm and if timing is so very important in things like head contact or aerial contests then it should be in this case. The whole point in union of having to use the arms in a tackle is to lessen the impact of a pointed shoulder. If you arm hasn’t come around enough because of late timing then you’ve got it wrong IMO.
Blaming Williams is crazy though. For some odd reason the Boks go well away from their successful game plans when they play Australia. It’s like they are suddenly scared to use the high ball that works so well for them. They get more passive in defence and get moved around too much. They should be doing the opposite and forcing Oz into a grind.@Crucial i think two things can be true at the same time. For me Williams made two bad mistakes against South Africa (and if i was an Aussie id find as many at least as many going the other way) For the record its the scrum penalty on the line where slipper went square to the scrum and line out drive in the second half when 19 canary tackled the maul down it was ruled that South Africa brought it down. I guess i can add backend block Reight did for his second try, but those are rarely picked up.
The frustration is with a lot of big calls that were in referee discretion that didnt go our way, the high tackle on Lolesio VS the first Koriobete tackle on Vermeulen, the skew throw called against Dweba, the high tackle on Reight on the goal line, the second warning for maul offenses against Faainga, the Koriobete tackle, the de Klerk slap. Individually non of those calls were wrong per se, but we didnt get lucky, or were unlucky with how the chips fell in a lot of those cases. Had these 50 50 calls been split more evenly there would be far less complaints, but we wouldnt have won.
But regardless of how Williams performed, we lost this one on the back of a number of individual errors. You can't simply miss the opening kick off of the gamen, miss a second one later on, have your kicker go 1 from 3 off easy kicks, knock the ball on something like 12 times and have at least two grubbers charged down when youre on attack.
A bunch of very important players are not playing well at the moment, Pollard, Vermeulen and PSDT are in poor form and Rasnaber are trying to play them into form and you cant do that at this at test level. Steyn hasnt played rugby at a decent level for a number years, but he is in squad to give him game time. Dweba is a better player than he has shown in last two games, but the squad selction and doctrine of having Marx on the bench is painting them into corner.
Im less angry about this loss than i was about Ellis Park, which I felt was more of gutless performance. This one was had a lot of players letting the team down, but the effort was at least there.
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
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@MiketheSnow isnt the rule you can't dive on him?
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@MiketheSnow isnt the rule you can't dive on him?
Exactly
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
@MiketheSnow Faf should never took a swipe in the first place. Thing is Saffers culture is to come back harder on the field, never diving or acting. That's more Aussies line. I througt that was a perfect boxing right, perfect swing, connecting perfect the way he dive.
Aussie addition to rugby. It's a shame to see this on a rugby pitch.
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@MiketheSnow Faf should never took a swipe in the first place. Thing is Saffers culture is to come back harder on the field, never diving or acting. That's more Aussies line. I througt that was a perfect boxing right, perfect swing, connecting perfect the way he dive.
Aussie addition to rugby. It's a shame to see this on a rugby pitch.
@OomPB said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@MiketheSnow Faf should never took a swipe in the first place. Thing is Saffers culture is to come back harder on the field, never diving or acting. That's more Aussies line. I througt that was a perfect boxing right, perfect swing, connecting perfect the way he dive.
Aussie addition to rugby. It's a shame to see this on a rugby pitch.
It’s a shame to see a great player like Faf do this on a rugby pitch also.
Petty, but petulant and premeditated
Deserves his sanction
No place for it
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The court of public opinion:
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The court of public opinion:
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@Machpants yep - and he's got to realise that the court of public opinion is going to remember that one for a loooooong time.
Hopefully the next Test isn't a farce of "injuries", shoelaces, and fakery.
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Wow this is the gift that keeps on giving.
https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/burger-blasts-kiwi-referee/
Former Test referee Freek Burger has highlighted the inconsistent calls from New Zealand referee Paul Williams following the Springboks’ loss to the Wallabies in Adelaide.
In an interview with Sunday newspaper Rapport, Burger said that Wallabies wing Marika Koroibete should have been sent off for his try-saving tackle on opposite number Makazole Mapimpi.
“In my opinion there were no arms. Here we are talking about a red card, about a penalty try,” Burger told Rapport.Uh... yeah Freek - let's put the bottle down and have a little rest, eh?
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If I was a Springbok fan I'd be embarrassed at the state of that fanbase.
Yeah guys, it was the ref who cost you. Again. Must be such a fun way to watch rugby, hovered over your keyboard desperate for the first 50/50 call not to go your way.
@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
If I was a Springbok fan I'd be embarrassed at the state of that fanbase.
Yeah guys, it was the ref who cost you. Again. Must be such a fun way to watch rugby, hovered over your keyboard desperate for the first 50/50 call not to go your way.
Nothing has changed really there. I guess they are consistent.
Pretty impressive Wallaby performance IMO, they started absolutely fizzing.
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This is a fairly interesting angle of it.
I'd ignore the point about "ONLY Koroibete's arm makes contact." that the poster is making.
I'm assume the no wrap people have problem with is the right arm? Which is where the problem of slowing down a video of 2 players moving at a 100mph down to 10mph comes in. IMO.
You have a guy lining up a runner who is haring for the corner, who then slows and cuts into the inside 'weak' shoulder, of course the outside arm isn't then going to be able to wrap around a player who is no longer in the space the 'computer' lined him up to be in.
The inside arm, (and the arm which connected to the shoulder which makes contact) does wrap. That's enough for me.
People getting targeted on the inside should who then don't wrap with both arms is as common as flies on turds. Just the position on the field and speed of the two players that is different (and the success of the inside weak shoulder/arm tackle).However, I do suspect Marika's league instincts were in full force there and if Mapimpi hadn't decelerated and cut in then Marika might have had a bad outcome.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/x00dcj/it_legitimately_looks_like_only_koroibetes_arm/
