QF: Chiefs v Reds
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Was there a reason given why the starting lineup changed? I think the swap of PGS and Jacobsen really changed up the dynamic.
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Just home from this one. Great performance from Queensland. Real nail biter.
Takeaways for me: Chiefs paid the price for playing PGS ahead of Jacobson. Too many costly errors. And Luke was great when he came on subbing the wrong guy. 3 mom contenders from Chiefs. Finau was it for me. Kept turning up with impact all over the park and in many facets of play. Maybe I won't be only one seeing him as best 6 in NZ now. Brodie was back to his huge engine best. Dmacs handling and kicking were fantastic and held the Chiefs together under siege.
Kudos too to ALB for a lot of valuable touches under pressure and to Emoni Narawa and Shaun Stevenson who showed their skillsets. Was good to be able to see who put in the effort off the ball.
Lynagh impressed me at 10 and Wilson played strongly. Best ever union game from Vunivalu too. Campbell caught the ball well but I thought much of his kicking was poor. Reds front row very strong too.@cgrant said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Fern favorite ALB was pretty anonymous
@ARHS said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Kudos too to ALB for a lot of valuable touches under pressure
Opinions ...
P.S. on my viewing though ALB was very good.
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@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Chris said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Look not bagging the dude just mentioning if he had kicked that 7 points maybe the result would have been different.
Well you can't add missed penalties because the game entirely changes if he kicks the penalty (halfway restart etc).
Even conversions IMO. Different scores paint different pictures. A conversion only really tells if time is up or almost up.
@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Chris said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Look not bagging the dude just mentioning if he had kicked that 7 points maybe the result would have been different.
Well you can't add missed penalties because the game entirely changes if he kicks the penalty (halfway restart etc).
Even conversions IMO. Different scores paint different pictures. A conversion only really tells if time is up or almost up.
Was about to booboo myself. Agree entirely
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@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Crusaders to lose.
If that's true ( I have my doubts because I don't think the Saders are that good this year) it's a pretty sad statement about player depth in NZ and Australia.
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
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@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
I think the Chiefs are probably in the Blues 22 role, strong round robin to lose to the Crusaders in the final.
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One thing - anyone else think the chiefs had changed their game plan completely from what had been successful throughout the round robin?
If so, ballsy and almost backfired...
@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
One thing - anyone else think the chiefs had changed their game plan completely from what had been successful throughout the round robin?
If so, ballsy and almost backfired...
Do you mean the kicking in the first half? They were winning the kicking battles but it all went a bit pear shaped anyway.
TBH, now that the win is in the bank, I think if Narawa had not pushed the Reds player and scored that try the Chiefs would have run over the Reds pretty easily, so we can thank him for an intense enjoyable game of rugby I guess.
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@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
I think the Chiefs are probably in the Blues 22 role, strong round robin to lose to the Crusaders in the final.
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
I think the Chiefs are probably in the Blues 22 role, strong round robin to lose to the Crusaders in the final.
Chiefs are much stronger than 22 Blues in my opinion. A better coach, a better tight five, better halves.
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@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
One thing - anyone else think the chiefs had changed their game plan completely from what had been successful throughout the round robin?
If so, ballsy and almost backfired...
Do you mean the kicking in the first half? They were winning the kicking battles but it all went a bit pear shaped anyway.
TBH, now that the win is in the bank, I think if Narawa had not pushed the Reds player and scored that try the Chiefs would have run over the Reds pretty easily, so we can thank him for an intense enjoyable game of rugby I guess.
@Nepia said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
One thing - anyone else think the chiefs had changed their game plan completely from what had been successful throughout the round robin?
If so, ballsy and almost backfired...
Do you mean the kicking in the first half? They were winning the kicking battles but it all went a bit pear shaped anyway.
TBH, now that the win is in the bank, I think if Narawa had not pushed the Reds player and scored that try the Chiefs would have run over the Reds pretty easily, so we can thank him for an intense enjoyable game of rugby I guess.
Narawa doesn't push him, he doesn't score.
It just felt like they were super conservative and their patterns were different, a lot less sweeping movement.
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@Nepia said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
One thing - anyone else think the chiefs had changed their game plan completely from what had been successful throughout the round robin?
If so, ballsy and almost backfired...
Do you mean the kicking in the first half? They were winning the kicking battles but it all went a bit pear shaped anyway.
TBH, now that the win is in the bank, I think if Narawa had not pushed the Reds player and scored that try the Chiefs would have run over the Reds pretty easily, so we can thank him for an intense enjoyable game of rugby I guess.
Narawa doesn't push him, he doesn't score.
It just felt like they were super conservative and their patterns were different, a lot less sweeping movement.
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@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Narawa doesn't push him, he doesn't score.
Obviously, we can't know, but on my multiple viewings of that it looked like the defender would have missed it anyway.
@Nepia said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Bones said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Narawa doesn't push him, he doesn't score.
Obviously, we can't know, but on my multiple viewings of that it looked like the defender would have missed it anyway.
Nah, on my viewings it looked like he stepped in, caught it and then ran back breaking ten tackles on his way to a game turning try.
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@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
I think the Chiefs are probably in the Blues 22 role, strong round robin to lose to the Crusaders in the final.
Chiefs are much stronger than 22 Blues in my opinion. A better coach, a better tight five, better halves.
@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@KiwiMurph said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Kirwan said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@Donsteppa this comp is the Chiefs to lose.
Fixed.
I think the Chiefs are probably in the Blues 22 role, strong round robin to lose to the Crusaders in the final.
Chiefs are much stronger than 22 Blues in my opinion. A better coach, a better tight five, better halves.
Let's not forget that the 22 Chiefs really should have won the semi-final in Christchurch. Add an in-form DMac and I think they would have.
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Reds show their round robin win was no fluke. Played shit for most of the season but somehow have the antidote to much of the Chiefs' kicking game, probably parking their back three further behind or something, I don't know. Some strong ruck work from them, too. Scrum was weird.
PGS has to take accountability for that first try after the 5m scrum, that was embarassing.@Tordah said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
PGS has to take accountability for that first try after the 5m scrum, that was embarassing.
Control at the back of the scrum has always been a weakness of PGS's. It would have been a different result with Jacobson at no.8.
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Like @ARHS I enjoyed the game despite all of my frustrations. I was never expecting this to be a big win and you have to credit the Reds defence as the Chiefs did create try-scoring opportunities. Qld were determined not to play any rugby in their own half but the Chiefs won the kicking duel.
I mentioned in another thread about Murphy as one of the ARs. He was the dominant voice in the comms but missed some very obvious things like offsides (e.g., Reds players advancing in front of deep kicks). No consistency whatsoever.
Lastly, after watching the game today it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it appeared at the ground.
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@cgrant said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Fern favorite ALB was pretty anonymous
@ARHS said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Kudos too to ALB for a lot of valuable touches under pressure
Opinions ...
P.S. on my viewing though ALB was very good.
@booboo said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
@cgrant said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Fern favorite ALB was pretty anonymous
@ARHS said in QF: Chiefs v Reds:
Kudos too to ALB for a lot of valuable touches under pressure
Opinions ...
P.S. on my viewing though ALB was very good.
I expected more from him; he's a seasoned All Black so had to do more than just draw and pass.
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lol what? Two weeks ago we put 31 points past the Brumbies in Canberra
Last week we put 40 past the Force in Perth with a B side.This week, in a final, we met a Reds team that made 229 tackles at 89%, and still managed to score 29 points.
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i couldn't give a shit if we won by 1 with an 82nd minute penalty. Finals is all about being in front at the end.
