Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
TMO can't come in for those calls any more. (I think.)
Unless there had been a try scored they can suggest there is a check maybe
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
TMO can't come in for those calls any more. (I think.)
Unless there had been a try scored they can suggest there is a check maybe
And in this case there was a stoppage (lineout).
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@Dan54 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
You know on reflection of the game, and last few games of season, I would argue that Scott Barrett is close to best rugby player in the country this year. He has been immense!
Will ad in Narawa we got a pretty good right wing too in ABs too!Totally agree about both players. Scott has a big engine and competes on every play. Narawa has that top end speed that gives players extra time but seems so well balanced in his all round game.
@kev said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Dan54 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
You know on reflection of the game, and last few games of season, I would argue that Scott Barrett is close to best rugby player in the country this year. He has been immense!
Will ad in Narawa we got a pretty good right wing too in ABs too!Totally agree about both players. Scott has a big engine and competes on every play. Narawa has that top end speed that gives players extra time but seems so well balanced in his all round game.
great workrate, good kicking, mops up other players' messes, always makes metres, and very solid in the tackle!
Like a smaller faster Ben Smith but on the wing! -
@kev defensively he was a machine and playing like a 4th loosie. A little quieter in attack and that is in large part to a very good defensive system that McMillan runs. But he was still well involved carting the ball up.
@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@kev defensively he was a machine and playing like a 4th loosie. A little quieter in attack and that is in large part to a very good defensive system that McMillan runs. But he was still well involved carting the ball up.
Agree. Thought he played well. Great work rate. Just maybe not the 9 - which he would have got for some of his earlier games where he ran through tacklers at will.
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Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
Who did that? You don’t have to put up with that shit?
Crusaders were good for it. Always felt as though we never got control of fame despite being in front at times.
Good season all the same for the Chiefs.
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
Who did that? You don’t have to put up with that shit?
Crusaders were good for it. Always felt as though we never got control of fame despite being in front at times.
Good season all the same for the Chiefs.
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
Even I got offensive DMs.
I thought it was amusing that someone would take the trouble to send me abuse.
I presume it was alcohol related.
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
Even I got offensive DMs.
I thought it was amusing that someone would take the trouble to send me abuse.
I presume it was alcohol related.
@Damo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
Even I got offensive DMs.
I thought it was amusing that someone would take the trouble to send me abuse.
I presume it was alcohol related.
I gave one 7 days rest for not understanding sport.
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@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Disgraceful feral fluffybunnies
Yep, and likely the very same people who booed through the speeches and presentations. And sent me abusive DMs here on the fern. Feral as fuck.
Even I got offensive DMs.
I thought it was amusing that someone would take the trouble to send me abuse.
I presume it was alcohol related.
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Has anyone mentioned how Nankivell's pass to Stevenson at 42:13, in the same play as the Narawa try, went forward out of the hands and floated a metre forward? Right at 3:00 in this video, pretty clear if you click on the cog to slow it down.
Winza win.
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Has anyone mentioned how Nankivell's pass to Stevenson at 42:13, in the same play as the Narawa try, went forward out of the hands and floated a metre forward? Right at 3:00 in this video, pretty clear if you click on the cog to slow it down.
Winza win.
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Has anyone mentioned how Nankivell's pass to Stevenson at 42:13, in the same play as the Narawa try, went forward out of the hands and floated a metre forward? Right at 3:00 in this video, pretty clear if you click on the cog to slow it down.
Winza win.
The pass was marginal but would rarely (or never) be deemed as a forward pass
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Big reffing error if right. Also the forward pass that was missed
*27th minute – Yellow card to Chiefs’ Luke Jacobson
With the Crusaders charging 10 metres from the tryline, Chiefs No 8 Jacobson went hunting for a relieving turnover.Only thing was, O’Keeffe believed he wasn’t adequately supporting his body weight at the ruck, and, having already warned co-captain Sam Cane about his side’s discipline, the ref had no hesitation in pulling out a yellow card for repeated infringements.
While that team warning had come back at the 13-minute mark, the fact the offence was committed close to the line, and there had already been a yellow card against the Chiefs as well, escalated the sanction.
Looking back at it, though, the hosts could feel hard done by, with Jacobson seemingly in good body position, and it was tough to see the left hand on the ground helping him that O’Keeffe had described.
It was a big moment, with the Crusaders, 10-3 down at the time, duly profiting from the resulting lineout, then going over again while Jacobson was still in the bin.*
34th minute – Missed Crusaders forward pass
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Big reffing error if right. Also the forward pass that was missed
*27th minute – Yellow card to Chiefs’ Luke Jacobson
With the Crusaders charging 10 metres from the tryline, Chiefs No 8 Jacobson went hunting for a relieving turnover.Only thing was, O’Keeffe believed he wasn’t adequately supporting his body weight at the ruck, and, having already warned co-captain Sam Cane about his side’s discipline, the ref had no hesitation in pulling out a yellow card for repeated infringements.
While that team warning had come back at the 13-minute mark, the fact the offence was committed close to the line, and there had already been a yellow card against the Chiefs as well, escalated the sanction.
Looking back at it, though, the hosts could feel hard done by, with Jacobson seemingly in good body position, and it was tough to see the left hand on the ground helping him that O’Keeffe had described.
It was a big moment, with the Crusaders, 10-3 down at the time, duly profiting from the resulting lineout, then going over again while Jacobson was still in the bin.*
34th minute – Missed Crusaders forward pass
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Whereas the Chiefs were denied a try by the same group on quite technical grounds.
Chiefs supporter here.
You talking Narawa off DMac?
He was about 4m offside. Hard to whinge about.
Bit like checking if the chaser is in front of the kicker.
That's technical too.
Laws aren't guidelines or gut feel.
@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Whereas the Chiefs were denied a try by the same group on quite technical grounds.
Chiefs supporter here.
You talking Narawa off DMac?
He was about 4m offside. Hard to whinge about.
Bit like checking if the chaser is in front of the kicker.
That's technical too.
Laws aren't guidelines or gut feel.
Pre TMO the Narawa non-try stands.
I'm familiar with the rule, but BOK and touchies all missed it real time, as they did forward pass before Mo'unga non-try.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@TJ said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman ah, the forward pass that lead to a Crusaders lineout near halfway was the crucial game changing decision that warrants all the complaining?
Should've been picked up for sure, but there were a lot of other things that the Chiefs had to get wrong to turn that into a try.
You've got your mind set on being a victim tonight so I'll leave you to that.
No. The point is that if we are going to embrace technology we need to do it properly, in particular in finals.
Either both second Narawa and Mo'unga tries get scrubbed because the officials are competent, or both let stand incorrectly.
That was a 14 point swing, which in a nutshell was the ballgame.
If you can't grasp that, I'm afraid I'll have to leave you to your ignorant bliss.
How far do you want to take it though. The forward pass was several plays before Mo'unga scored. They didn't score directly from it.
The point is, the Chiefs didn't defend well enough from that situation. The missed forward pass is no different to the not-straight lineout through from the Chiefs with 3 minutes to go. Scott Barrett knocked it on and the Chiefs got the ball back. The difference is the Chiefs shat the bed and went back 40 metres whereas the Crusaders took their chance and scored. It's not all about the referees, there are players out there. The Chiefs just weren't good enough.
@hydro11 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@TJ said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman ah, the forward pass that lead to a Crusaders lineout near halfway was the crucial game changing decision that warrants all the complaining?
Should've been picked up for sure, but there were a lot of other things that the Chiefs had to get wrong to turn that into a try.
You've got your mind set on being a victim tonight so I'll leave you to that.
No. The point is that if we are going to embrace technology we need to do it properly, in particular in finals.
Either both second Narawa and Mo'unga tries get scrubbed because the officials are competent, or both let stand incorrectly.
That was a 14 point swing, which in a nutshell was the ballgame.
If you can't grasp that, I'm afraid I'll have to leave you to your ignorant bliss.
How far do you want to take it though. The forward pass was several plays before Mo'unga scored. They didn't score directly from it.
The point is, the Chiefs didn't defend well enough from that situation. The missed forward pass is no different to the not-straight lineout through from the Chiefs with 3 minutes to go. Scott Barrett knocked it on and the Chiefs got the ball back. The difference is the Chiefs shat the bed and went back 40 metres whereas the Crusaders took their chance and scored. It's not all about the referees, there are players out there. The Chiefs just weren't good enough.
So if TMO hadn't correctly called back second Narawa try you'd have been fine because Jesters weren't good enough to stop it?
