Final: Chiefs v Crusaders
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@Stag said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman you my friend are the definition of a sore loser. The best team won.
I'm a neutral. Just a fan who doesn't take to tournament finals being decided by gross refereeing errors. Deep down I'd say the Jesters know the truth.
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@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
I know I keep banging on about it, but he's just not up to standard.
@antipodean said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bovidae said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
The long forward pass was right in front of me. Gardner seemed asleep. The TMO needs to do their job and not just pick and choose when to intervene.
I know I keep banging on about it, but he's just not up to standard.
The role of TMO has become so influential that we need two top operators to fill role. One to explain the maths/physics of the picture and one who is expert on the Laws/protocols.
Oh and if TMO spots massive miss by ref he ought to tell him real time. Seems to happen in some games but not others.
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@SBW1 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
That’s the second time I have read a review with LF given a 9? Didn’t think he had as much impact on this game as prior games. Abrasive but didn’t break any tackles on attack.
@kev said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@SBW1 said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
That’s the second time I have read a review with LF given a 9? Didn’t think he had as much impact on this game as prior games. Abrasive but didn’t break any tackles on attack.
Chiefs had correctly identified that if they tackled him early it took away much of Jester's attacking threat. Jordan too.
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@kev defensively he was a machine and playing like a 4th loosie. A little quieter in attack and that is in large part to a very good defensive system that McMillan runs. But he was still well involved carting the ball up.
@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@kev defensively he was a machine and playing like a 4th loosie. A little quieter in attack and that is in large part to a very good defensive system that McMillan runs. But he was still well involved carting the ball up.
His late turnovers kept Jesters in match.
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@pakman You have to realise that if they had gone back for the scrum for the forward pass that the entire game would have changed from that point. Without a crystal ball we will never know who would have won in that case.
@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman You have to realise that if they had gone back for the scrum for the forward pass that the entire game would have changed from that point. Without a crystal ball we will never know who would have won in that case.
I usually would totally agree, but it was that close to halftime I beg to differ on that. No just me: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/132412238/a-lot-of-hurt-gutted-chiefs-feel-the-pain-as-crusaders-triumph-yet-again
In fact, had it been 10-8 at HT, then at 20-8 I tend to the view that the tiring Jesters would been blown away.
But almost certain Chiefs would have been crowned proper champions.
It really does suck to follow an entire tournament and see it after four months deliver a duff outcome.
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@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Whereas the Chiefs were denied a try by the same group on quite technical grounds.
Chiefs supporter here.
You talking Narawa off DMac?
He was about 4m offside. Hard to whinge about.
Bit like checking if the chaser is in front of the kicker.
That's technical too.
Laws aren't guidelines or gut feel.
Pre TMO the Narawa non-try stands.
I'm familiar with the rule, but BOK and touchies all missed it real time, as they did forward pass before Mo'unga non-try.
But we have a TMO now.
We no longer live in the 1980s.
And the decision was correct.
He was offside.
By several metres.
Hated it as my side's try was ruled out.
But the evidence ...
I really don't get your point.
@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@booboo said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Whereas the Chiefs were denied a try by the same group on quite technical grounds.
Chiefs supporter here.
You talking Narawa off DMac?
He was about 4m offside. Hard to whinge about.
Bit like checking if the chaser is in front of the kicker.
That's technical too.
Laws aren't guidelines or gut feel.
Pre TMO the Narawa non-try stands.
I'm familiar with the rule, but BOK and touchies all missed it real time, as they did forward pass before Mo'unga non-try.
But we have a TMO now.
We no longer live in the 1980s.
And the decision was correct.
He was offside.
By several metres.
Hated it as my side's try was ruled out.
But the evidence ...
I really don't get your point.
The point is quite straightforward. We know because of the technology (and watching real time in case of Mo'unga non-try) that neither Mo'unga nor Narawa non-tries were valid.
But the officials managed to award one but not the other. That's a fourteen point swing from the opposite result.
The Jesters were able to play the last few minutes in Chiefs half because of that, so, at best, if we allow for the undeniable officiating mistake were at least five points the lesser team.
It's that simple.
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@Nevorian said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman You have to realise that if they had gone back for the scrum for the forward pass that the entire game would have changed from that point. Without a crystal ball we will never know who would have won in that case.
I usually would totally agree, but it was that close to halftime I beg to differ on that. No just me: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/132412238/a-lot-of-hurt-gutted-chiefs-feel-the-pain-as-crusaders-triumph-yet-again
In fact, had it been 10-8 at HT, then at 20-8 I tend to the view that the tiring Jesters would been blown away.
But almost certain Chiefs would have been crowned proper champions.
It really does suck to follow an entire tournament and see it after four months deliver a duff outcome.
This whole "if that hadn't happened we would have totally definatly won" thing is laughable.
@pakman Watch from about 66 mins on, Crusaders didn't kick once, hung onto the ball and took control. The "better team" had no answer, in fact the Chiefs lost the game in the final quarter, they may have had the better cattle but they had no idea how to use it, got the pressure up their noses and imploded, notably including Cane. Why wasn't his yellow card a penalty try?
I said to my 8 year old at that point "watch this, we'll win from here".
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This whole "if that hadn't happened we would have totally definatly won" thing is laughable.
@pakman Watch from about 66 mins on, Crusaders didn't kick once, hung onto the ball and took control. The "better team" had no answer, in fact the Chiefs lost the game in the final quarter, they may have had the better cattle but they had no idea how to use it, got the pressure up their noses and imploded, notably including Cane. Why wasn't his yellow card a penalty try?
I said to my 8 year old at that point "watch this, we'll win from here".
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
This whole "if that hadn't happened we would have totally definatly won" thing is laughable.
@pakman Watch from about 66 mins on, Crusaders didn't kick once, hung onto the ball and took control. The "better team" had no answer, in fact the Chiefs lost the game in the final quarter, they may have had the better cattle but they had no idea how to use it, got the pressure up their noses and imploded, notably including Cane.
I said to my 8 year old at that point "watch this, we'll win from here".
The Jesters at 8 - 20 would most definitely not have been doing that.
So although I agree they played the scoreboard much better in last 15, they only had that luxury because of a gross officiating miss.
If I were you, I'd just take the victory, and accept that the rub of the green got you through this time.
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@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
This whole "if that hadn't happened we would have totally definatly won" thing is laughable.
@pakman Watch from about 66 mins on, Crusaders didn't kick once, hung onto the ball and took control. The "better team" had no answer, in fact the Chiefs lost the game in the final quarter, they may have had the better cattle but they had no idea how to use it, got the pressure up their noses and imploded, notably including Cane.
I said to my 8 year old at that point "watch this, we'll win from here".
The Jesters at 8 - 20 would most definitely not have been doing that.
So although I agree they played the scoreboard much better in last 15, they only had that luxury because of a gross officiating miss.
If I were you, I'd just take the victory, and accept that the rub of the green got you through this time.
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@Stargazer said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Who are the Jesters?
The ones wearing the phony crown.
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@Stargazer said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Who are the Jesters?
An improvised comedy troupe based at Christchurch's Court Theatre. They host New Zealand's longest-running comedy show, Scared Scriptless, it's on every weekend and they are very funny.
Apparently they beat the Chiefs in the Super Rugby final last night.
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@Stargazer said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Who are the Jesters?
The ones wearing the phony crown.
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@Stargazer said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
Who are the Jesters?
The ones wearing the phony crown.
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Something that hasn’t been mentioned was Luke Jacobsens steal off Will Jordon at 21 mins. Pretty clear that Will got his knees to the ground before steal completed. Shortly after at 22 mins the Chiefs get their 1st try.
That’s the way rugby is. Small margins.
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Ok this thread is now tedious and boring. Will wait for the next match which is probably the RC.
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@pakman Thanks for the advice, if I were you I'd accept that bad calls went both ways and whinging about the ref is for poor losers.
The better team won.
@Canerbry said in Final: Chiefs v Crusaders:
@pakman Thanks for the advice, if I were you I'd accept that bad calls went both ways and whinging about the ref is for poor losers.
The better team won.
I expect deep down you know that’s not true. One (dubious) win out of three says something to that.
I wholly agree that there were swings and roundabouts on most of the calls. I thought BOK was overzealous on Chiefs in first half, but seemed to turn his attention excessively to Jesters in second, maybe after seeing his blooper.
However, in final analysis there were two major calls on non-tries.
The only way Jesters win was by getting lucky on BOTH of those. Any other combo and they are very worthy no. twos.
