U20 Championship - NZ v Wales
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Our scrum, lineout and maul defence is shockingly bad. Time for the forwards coaches to do some coaching.
@akan004 said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
Our scrum, lineout and maul defence is shockingly bad. Time for the forwards coaches to do some coaching.
After just watching there is still a soft underbelly in the forward pack. While the scrum had its moments I've never seen locks completely detached from their prop as Cahill was on one occasion.
The backs look slick when they get some front-foot ball but if the forwards can't front it's going to be a disappointing tournament.
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@MiketheSnow said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
What a finish
NZ took their foot off the gas
I daresay Kemara had too much foot on the pedal with that kick that went dead.....
@KiwiMurph said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
What a finish
NZ took their foot off the gas
I daresay Kemara had too much foot on the pedal with that kick that went dead.....
Yep inexperience, let the excitement get to him? What we should maybe expect from U20s at times. Team looked good, thought Godfrey looked good at 15, but like the idea of him at 10. though it's a matter of fitting all aplayers in where they can?
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@Bovidae I hope Cooper Flanders will be the starting 7 in the next game. Not saying he's the answer, I just want him to get an opportunity.
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@Stargazer Flanders looked handy in Wellington vs Aus I thought
@KiwiMurph Yep, he's not the biggest 7 in the squad, but he's a very good ball carrier, deceptively quick and has a very high workrate. Usually good on defence, too.
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Laidlaw needs to select the largest and most physical forward pack possible to play France.
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@Bovidae Or, do you go down the route that we can't beat them at their game, so we go with mobility?
@frugby said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@Bovidae Or, do you go down the route that we can't beat them at their game, so we go with mobility?
That's not going to help when you are defending lineout drives or in the scrum. Unless mobility also means going backwards - fast.
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Rugbypass stats (no player stats):
https://www.rugbypass.com/live/new-zealand-u20-vs-wales-u20/stats/?g=935950
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@bobily2 :man_facepalming_medium_skin_tone: You're right! Somehow I've never noticed those arrows before haha.
@Stargazer Now we just need height and weight figures for the players in each squad. It used to fairly reliably released on the World Rugby website 1 week before the tournament, but no cigar this year.
Edit: This has height and weight, though I dunno how accurate the figures are
https://all.rugby/match/18892/u20-championship-2023/wales-u20-new-zealand-u20
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@Stargazer Now we just need height and weight figures for the players in each squad. It used to fairly reliably released on the World Rugby website 1 week before the tournament, but no cigar this year.
Edit: This has height and weight, though I dunno how accurate the figures are
https://all.rugby/match/18892/u20-championship-2023/wales-u20-new-zealand-u20
@bobily2 Since World Rugby moved their website from a .org to a .rugby domain, all their older match stats and documents got lost. The search function on their website doesn't work, and important document are difficult to find. It's gone backwards with time, instead of better with improved technology.
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@Bovidae said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
A must-win game for NZ with France also in the pool. Wales (6) are seeded ahead of NZ (7).
That's nonsense
We'll get massacred
@MiketheSnow said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@Bovidae said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
A must-win game for NZ with France also in the pool. Wales (6) are seeded ahead of NZ (7).
That's nonsense
We'll get massacred
By a whole point.
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@MiketheSnow said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@Bovidae said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
A must-win game for NZ with France also in the pool. Wales (6) are seeded ahead of NZ (7).
That's nonsense
We'll get massacred
By a whole point.
@antipodean said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@Bovidae said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
A must-win game for NZ with France also in the pool. Wales (6) are seeded ahead of NZ (7).
That's nonsense
We'll get massacred
By a whole point.
Could have (should have) gone a number of ways
First 10 mins and I was ready to circle the waggons
Then we should have put the game away in the first half
First 20 of the second half, and we were trading treacle watching the scoreboard roll away from us
Then you took your foot off the gas / we had second wind and with a more accurate kicker could have stolen the match in the dying seconds
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@frugby said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@Bovidae Or, do you go down the route that we can't beat them at their game, so we go with mobility?
That's not going to help when you are defending lineout drives or in the scrum. Unless mobility also means going backwards - fast.
@Bovidae said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@frugby said in U20 Championship - NZ v Wales:
@Bovidae Or, do you go down the route that we can't beat them at their game, so we go with mobility?
That's not going to help when you are defending lineout drives or in the scrum. Unless mobility also means going backwards - fast.
I guess you could argue that will happen anyway though? The tight five is mud, so we are guaranteed to get stuffed there. Reckon going for mobility in the loose could at least give a portion of upside. That said, I don't know the players well enough to truly comment.
