Northland v Canterbury
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Taniwha lucky Canterbury scored , may have been another YC
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Just too many por decisions and none of the 50-50s goingnour way
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Goose well and truly cooked , needed to land some blows in the first half ,
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Very poor second half...too many penalties
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I'll put the motm poll up in the morning...
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Scratchy first hit out, but a couple of positives:
- Ferg looks assured
- midfield could be a real handful. Great to see Crotty back out there in (sequenced) red n black
- some of the interplay between the forwards was nice.
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Well that was extremely disappointing.
We were well in it at the break, in fact, felt we were slightly on top everywhere bar the scoreboard, but gee, that 2nd half.
Also, gotta say, at the game, it didnt feel our disipline was as bad as the penalty count was.
Canterbury backs were flirting with the offside line all game, but got away with it more than they didnt, which put immense pressure on our back who were struggling anyway with no real punch.
Thought for the most part, our pack went well, Rob Rush gets through some work, Adams has a nice turn of pace and alongside Moulds and Apoua, form a strong front row, although like years gone by, we have lapses and then get destroyed despite being rock solid rest of game.
Thought a couple of scrum pens were bloody harsh, we got pinged when they dropped the bind and collapsed, and another when they popped, also thought Rangers was a tough one, but then I am of the opinion if you get a hand to it and it goes up, you had a shot at it, so aside from those more obvious examples, rest was less to argue about and we just werent good enough, particularly in the backs and our work under the high ball and aimless kicking (gee, where do we see this) and Canterbury were better with thier kicking, even when we had an aimless forceback comp.
Thought Goodhue had some nice touches in the 1st half, but he and Tua werent great in the 2nd, also think they need to swap positions, and the less said about that kick by Goodhue, the better!
Jonah Mau'u started well, but looked gassed, liked the work of our locks, Matich tried hard all game, and do wonder if he had taken that ball under the Canterbury posts, how different things might have panned out, given within 2 mins of that, they went 100m from thier in goal to score.
We do lack punch outwide, Brady Rush goes pretty well, looks to added some size and works hard off the ball, but with Pisi out, I wonder who they will bring in, while I want to see Tama Anderson, I doubt he will provide what was clearly lacking, maybe an SOS to Jone Maciali?
Very, very disappointing game in the end, which makes Wednesday even less appealing, meaning the fear of a 0/3 start, looking a bit more likely...
@kev yeah we did look underdone, and given they had an odd length season (10 teams, RR of 12 games plus finals) and a week off for KIngs Birthday weekend, soemthing they need to look at next year, cant come in off 1 game, I reckon they have a trial game week after the final, then 2 pre-season games at least.
For the Cantabs Harmon was excellent, into everything, is a bit shorter and wider than I thought he was, but has an engine! Burke controlled things well, but all up they looked a well drilled team, looking at Romano warm up, reckon this will be his last season, he seems to limit his movement alot.
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Well that was extremely disappointing.
We were well in it at the break, in fact, felt we were slightly on top everywhere bar the scoreboard, but gee, that 2nd half.
Also, gotta say, at the game, it didnt feel our disipline was as bad as the penalty count was.
Canterbury backs were flirting with the offside line all game, but got away with it more than they didnt, which put immense pressure on our back who were struggling anyway with no real punch.
Thought for the most part, our pack went well, Rob Rush gets through some work, Adams has a nice turn of pace and alongside Moulds and Apoua, form a strong front row, although like years gone by, we have lapses and then get destroyed despite being rock solid rest of game.
Thought a couple of scrum pens were bloody harsh, we got pinged when they dropped the bind and collapsed, and another when they popped, also thought Rangers was a tough one, but then I am of the opinion if you get a hand to it and it goes up, you had a shot at it, so aside from those more obvious examples, rest was less to argue about and we just werent good enough, particularly in the backs and our work under the high ball and aimless kicking (gee, where do we see this) and Canterbury were better with thier kicking, even when we had an aimless forceback comp.
Thought Goodhue had some nice touches in the 1st half, but he and Tua werent great in the 2nd, also think they need to swap positions, and the less said about that kick by Goodhue, the better!
Jonah Mau'u started well, but looked gassed, liked the work of our locks, Matich tried hard all game, and do wonder if he had taken that ball under the Canterbury posts, how different things might have panned out, given within 2 mins of that, they went 100m from thier in goal to score.
We do lack punch outwide, Brady Rush goes pretty well, looks to added some size and works hard off the ball, but with Pisi out, I wonder who they will bring in, while I want to see Tama Anderson, I doubt he will provide what was clearly lacking, maybe an SOS to Jone Maciali?
Very, very disappointing game in the end, which makes Wednesday even less appealing, meaning the fear of a 0/3 start, looking a bit more likely...
@kev yeah we did look underdone, and given they had an odd length season (10 teams, RR of 12 games plus finals) and a week off for KIngs Birthday weekend, soemthing they need to look at next year, cant come in off 1 game, I reckon they have a trial game week after the final, then 2 pre-season games at least.
For the Cantabs Harmon was excellent, into everything, is a bit shorter and wider than I thought he was, but has an engine! Burke controlled things well, but all up they looked a well drilled team, looking at Romano warm up, reckon this will be his last season, he seems to limit his movement alot.
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@taniwharugby we were competitive in contact but lacked quality in everything we did. Option taking, execution. Looked like individuals. Late change of coach and only one warm up game maybe.
@kev neither of those things will have helped.
Yeah lack of polish, hope they find some quick smart.
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Watching this game as a neutral, these were my general feelings:
Northland
- Started fairly okay, though benefitted from Canterbury being poor. I wouldn't say they were bad in the second half, they just weren't at the level of Canterbury who will probably win the competition
- Tight five went well, and the loosies were fine, but it was the backs who struggled. Reihana had a bit of a shocker IMO
- Actually forgot Goodhue was on the field until his shocker of a kick. The game just didn't flow his way.
- Sorely missed Moorby in the outside backs, as they had no penetration without him
- I wouldn't worry too much if I was a Northland fan, though they have the potential to be 0-3 at the end of next week with Moorby absent, and that will pretty much be them done for the season
Canterbury
- Really shit start, with Calder having a mare early, though he grew into it. Bell was rusty, but also grew as the game went on. He is going to have a big season
- Rest of the forwards were good, largely better than their opposites. It was a case of patience for them, and they eventually broke Northland down. For the first game of the season that was pretty good.
- Drummond and Murray were big game changers, and impacted the game well
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Was so gutted with that after watching it live last night. But a little more philosophical about it all this morning.
The score was 16 - 11 after 52 minutes, and 19 - 11 around the 60 minute mark when Rush was sinbinned. And, when Ranger also got sent for 10 soon after, the blowout was inevitable. By the end they were absolutely monstering us, any structure we'd had was out the window. Lineout dysfunctional, scrum under pressure, constant struggle to retain ball at breakdowns, backline getting smashed waaay behind the advantage line whenever we did manage to release it.
Injuries already a major concern after one game. I hope Nock's injury is minor, does anyone know how far away Moorby might be? We need him desperately now. I fear Ranger's lack of pace will really hurt us defensively out wide if that ends up being the preferred option over the next few games. At best I see him as a good impact option in midfield off the bench at this stage of career. Such a legend and was probably the most exciting, destructive powerhouse midfielder bar in the competition in his prime (those days with Jaryd Payne, what a combination), but time catches up with even the best eventually.
My realistic hope from last night was to sneak a bonus point out of the loss and avoid any serious injury concerns for what is always a squad light on quality backup players. Zero for two on that wish list...
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I thought we were in it until the cards, unlikely to win it but not embarrassed. Yes Canterbury were the better team, but that's just a fact. As mentioned lack of time with coach and pre-season games meant we were rusty. I guess as a move-into Northland supporter I can be a bit more philosophical compared to when The Bush gets bashed!
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Watching this game as a neutral, these were my general feelings:
Northland
- Started fairly okay, though benefitted from Canterbury being poor. I wouldn't say they were bad in the second half, they just weren't at the level of Canterbury who will probably win the competition
- Tight five went well, and the loosies were fine, but it was the backs who struggled. Reihana had a bit of a shocker IMO
- Actually forgot Goodhue was on the field until his shocker of a kick. The game just didn't flow his way.
- Sorely missed Moorby in the outside backs, as they had no penetration without him
- I wouldn't worry too much if I was a Northland fan, though they have the potential to be 0-3 at the end of next week with Moorby absent, and that will pretty much be them done for the season
Canterbury
- Really shit start, with Calder having a mare early, though he grew into it. Bell was rusty, but also grew as the game went on. He is going to have a big season
- Rest of the forwards were good, largely better than their opposites. It was a case of patience for them, and they eventually broke Northland down. For the first game of the season that was pretty good.
- Drummond and Murray were big game changers, and impacted the game well
@frugby said in Northland v Canterbury:
Actually forgot Goodhue was on the field until his shocker of a kick. The game just didn't flow his way.
Yeah I think the Cantabs speed off the line meant the ball barely made it to him
I think Northland should swap their midfielders. Goodhue is by far the best back and needs to handle the ball more often. He has the passing skillset and speed of thought to deal with the rush. Having him stand next to a young 10 is useful too. Tua has played well at 13 before and has a knack of getting outside breaks
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Something tells me me this could be a long season this year. We look like a side that has just been patched together..which essentially we have with next to no build up. But really we should have fired some more shots last night, especially in that second half where the discipline just went out the window.
I agree with above comments with swapping Goodhue and Tua around. Goodhue has lost most of his pace and would be better suited as a straight line hard hitting 12, where as Tua can work at 13 with his extra pace and space..
Injuries look a worry already with some serious looking ones adding to our already long list last night.
Standouts for me last night were Rob Rush and Sam Caird..those two got through a tonne of mahi and never stopped trying.
I Would hope we improve markedly against Taranaki, however I'm predicting 0-3 for storm week unfortunately, hope I'm wrong, but you just get that feeling..
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Was so gutted with that after watching it live last night. But a little more philosophical about it all this morning.
The score was 16 - 11 after 52 minutes, and 19 - 11 around the 60 minute mark when Rush was sinbinned. And, when Ranger also got sent for 10 soon after, the blowout was inevitable. By the end they were absolutely monstering us, any structure we'd had was out the window. Lineout dysfunctional, scrum under pressure, constant struggle to retain ball at breakdowns, backline getting smashed waaay behind the advantage line whenever we did manage to release it.
Injuries already a major concern after one game. I hope Nock's injury is minor, does anyone know how far away Moorby might be? We need him desperately now. I fear Ranger's lack of pace will really hurt us defensively out wide if that ends up being the preferred option over the next few games. At best I see him as a good impact option in midfield off the bench at this stage of career. Such a legend and was probably the most exciting, destructive powerhouse midfielder bar in the competition in his prime (those days with Jaryd Payne, what a combination), but time catches up with even the best eventually.
My realistic hope from last night was to sneak a bonus point out of the loss and avoid any serious injury concerns for what is always a squad light on quality backup players. Zero for two on that wish list...
@fidz71 by the sounds, all 3 injuries are not great and sideline players for at least a few weeks.
Moorbynis HIA I believe, so all going well would be available for Naki...
One quite good aspect of our game, our maul defence.
