RWC SF: England v Springboks
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@booboo said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@thelemmning70 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Bok team going to be knackered going into this. 2 tough games on the trot. After the final they would have played every team in the current top 6 world rankings....
Current WR Ranking...
South Africa
New Zealand
Ireland
France
England
ScotlandSo you're saying they've had the perfect warm up to prepare themselves?
Bokke continue to firm in favouritism.
Compare that to the 2007 WC they won.... Argi and Fiji in knockouts... Very different. They will do well to recover and definite chance AB's can run away with it.
@thelemmning70 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@thelemmning70 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Bok team going to be knackered going into this. 2 tough games on the trot. After the final they would have played every team in the current top 6 world rankings....
Current WR Ranking...
South Africa
New Zealand
Ireland
France
England
ScotlandSo you're saying they've had the perfect warm up to prepare themselves?
Bokke continue to firm in favouritism.
Compare that to the 2007 WC they won.... Argi and Fiji in knockouts... Very different. They will do well to recover and definite chance AB's can run away with it.
Or 2019 - Japan and Wales...
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@W32 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
On the bongi thing: onkant, (offside) windgat (asshole) …many Afrikaans words that could easily be misinterpreted. England are famous moral high ground whiners.
And yet all that has happened is that Curry raised a possible racial slur to the ref, downplayed it post match, the England team have said nothing and we’ve seen no whining on here from the English contingent and very little in the press.
<shrug>
@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Curry raised a possible racial slur to the ref
All that has happened? Come on man that's huge.
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@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Curry raised a possible racial slur to the ref
All that has happened? Come on man that's huge.
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Curry raised a possible racial slur to the ref
All that has happened? Come on man that's huge.
Not in the context of what I was saying and replying to, which was about England being a bunch of whiners. "All" was in regard to Curry's actions, not the actual possible racial slur. Which I agree, is significant if proven to be true.
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Curry raised a possible racial slur to the ref
All that has happened? Come on man that's huge.
Not in the context of what I was saying and replying to, which was about England being a bunch of whiners. "All" was in regard to Curry's actions, not the actual possible racial slur. Which I agree, is significant if proven to be true.
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@Catogrande it's an extremely significant accusation to make on the fly. He knows the ref is mic'd up. Or maybe not, it is Curry.
Ah! Me taking you out of context rather than the other way round. If unfounded then his action is significant. Agreed. However in the context of England being whiners, my point stands. Not much evidence of it currently.
Not sure what you’re getting at with the “it is Curry” bit. He’s not known for being a twat. Well, no more than any decent openside that is.
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Ah! Me taking you out of context rather than the other way round. If unfounded then his action is significant. Agreed. However in the context of England being whiners, my point stands. Not much evidence of it currently.
Not sure what you’re getting at with the “it is Curry” bit. He’s not known for being a twat. Well, no more than any decent openside that is.
@Catogrande I'm not surprised you've missed my umpteen posts prior to this incident calling him a moron, but they're there. Makes SBW look like a genius.
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These language-related explanations are pretty weak imho. I'm generally very accepting that some bad shit can be said in the heat of battle. This isn't exactly an office environment, and these guys are doing their best to legally fůck each other up. But if they're going to throw the book at guys like Potgeiter (bundle of sticks) and Marler (Gypsy boy) then that has to apply for everyone.
@Rancid-Schnitzel are you as willing to accept that curry might have made it up ?
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Relief.
That was my overwhelming emotion after that game.
I was concerned that the Boks were coming off that epic battle against France and would be flat.
And they were. They were at least 10% down on individual performance across the park.Having said that, I give immense credit to England for blunting the Boks in almost every facet of the game - bar the scrums once Ox and Koch came on. They kicked and chased well, were excellent in the lineouts and the loose and their defence was heroic. They suffocated the Boks virtually out of the game. In the end, it was immensely unlucky and almost cruel for them to lose the game in the 78th minute.
On the (one tiny) plus side for the Boks, they showed enough character to win ugly when they really were well outplayed. I'll take that. But if that level of performance is repeated in the final we are going to see our backsides against the ABs.
@Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Relief.
But if that level of performance is repeated in the final we are going to see our backsides against the ABs.I hope not, for your sake and my eyes. Forgive me but the SA 23 don't bear any resemblance to Charlize Theron. Besides, you are defending RWC World Champions and number one, play in the NH, and had some good matches to tune up and reach match fitness. We are definitive underpups.
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@Catogrande I'm not surprised you've missed my umpteen posts prior to this incident calling him a moron, but they're there. Makes SBW look like a genius.
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Catogrande I'm not surprised you've missed my umpteen posts prior to this incident calling him a moron, but they're there. Makes SBW look like a genius.
Steady on.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel are you as willing to accept that curry might have made it up ?
@W32 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel are you as willing to accept that curry might have made it up ?
Unlikely, since the ref apparently also heard it. But they both could have misheard. I don't think this is an issue, but if you'd like to stand down the whole starting front row (or the reserve bench) against the ABs, I won't complain.
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@W32 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel are you as willing to accept that curry might have made it up ?
Unlikely, since the ref apparently also heard it. But they both could have misheard. I don't think this is an issue, but if you'd like to stand down the whole starting front row (or the reserve bench) against the ABs, I won't complain.
@nostrildamus said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
since the ref apparently also heard it
Where have you seen that? Pretty damning of O'Keeffe if so and if not that's another false yet damning slur.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
since the ref apparently also heard it
Where have you seen that? Pretty damning of O'Keeffe if so and if not that's another false yet damning slur.
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
since the ref apparently also heard it
Where have you seen that? Pretty damning of O'Keeffe if so and if not that's another false yet damning slur.
From the fine and impartial writing of the Sun
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/24484267/tom-curry-bongi-mbonambi-racist-rugby-world-cup/
In the conversation, picked up by the “ref link” microphone, the Sale flanker went up to the official and said: “Sir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c*** what can I do?"
O'Keeffe responded: "Nothing please. I’ll be on it."And I did say, "apparently" but hmm, yes it still depends on the "if their"...ok this is a real hypothetical.
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
since the ref apparently also heard it
Where have you seen that? Pretty damning of O'Keeffe if so and if not that's another false yet damning slur.
From the fine and impartial writing of the Sun
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/24484267/tom-curry-bongi-mbonambi-racist-rugby-world-cup/
In the conversation, picked up by the “ref link” microphone, the Sale flanker went up to the official and said: “Sir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c*** what can I do?"
O'Keeffe responded: "Nothing please. I’ll be on it."And I did say, "apparently" but hmm, yes it still depends on the "if their"...ok this is a real hypothetical.
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@Catogrande I'm not surprised you've missed my umpteen posts prior to this incident calling him a moron, but they're there. Makes SBW look like a genius.
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Catogrande I'm not surprised you've missed my umpteen posts prior to this incident calling him a moron, but they're there. Makes SBW look like a genius.
I think I’ve seen most of the, just don’t agree with any
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@Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Relief.
But if that level of performance is repeated in the final we are going to see our backsides against the ABs.I hope not, for your sake and my eyes. Forgive me but the SA 23 don't bear any resemblance to Charlize Theron. Besides, you are defending RWC World Champions and number one, play in the NH, and had some good matches to tune up and reach match fitness. We are definitive underpups.
@nostrildamus said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Relief.
But if that level of performance is repeated in the final we are going to see our backsides against the ABs.I hope not, for your sake and my eyes. Forgive me but the SA 23 don't bear any resemblance to Charlize Theron. Besides, you are defending RWC World Champions and number one, play in the NH, and had some good matches to tune up and reach match fitness. We are definitive underpups.
Steady on there! No claiming underdog status for the AB's.
You're bookie favourites (I say so with zero empirical evidence - which is the Fern way of course) :face_with_tongue: -
@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Good. Get it sorted and put to bed rather than let it rumble on.
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@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Good. Get it sorted and put to bed rather than let it rumble on.
@Victor-Meldrew by Friday would be good. But not before then.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Billy-Webb said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Relief.
But if that level of performance is repeated in the final we are going to see our backsides against the ABs.I hope not, for your sake and my eyes. Forgive me but the SA 23 don't bear any resemblance to Charlize Theron. Besides, you are defending RWC World Champions and number one, play in the NH, and had some good matches to tune up and reach match fitness. We are definitive underpups.
Steady on there! No claiming underdog status for the AB's.
You're bookie favourites (I say so with zero empirical evidence - which is the Fern way of course) :face_with_tongue:@Billy-Webb 4 years under the worst AB coach in professional rugby history up against a battle hardened Bokke that are potentially the greatest rugby side ever with back-to-back RWC's and a series win over the Lions?
There can only be one plucky underdog in that mismatch
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@sparky said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Good. Get it sorted and put to bed rather than let it rumble on.
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