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RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina

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  • P pakman

    @NTA said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

    @pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

    Scrum at 57 Ox shunts Cole back a yard, but he jumps feet back and stays straight.

    Cole came off at 56 minutes? Nche came on around 49 minutes, so looking at scrums in that time, there is only 1:

    50:52 - England feed. Scrum engages. Cole at full extension, Nche arse over heels. After the feed England get drilled as Nche goes under and up. Tighthead to the Boks as the ball comes out. Play on.

    Scrum at 60ish, ten yards from Bok line, Sinckler pushes Ox back on engage, but on far side of scrum Koch comes in at 45 degrees and together with Bongi pops George. To me penalty England.

    Scrum awarded 57:19. Doesn't engage until 58:34 - so much for the new directives!

    Sinckler is on at that stage for Cole. Scrum hits, Koch on the TH side for the Boks goes to a knee on engage, then gets up but it hits the deck again prior to feed. Reset but I would have penalised the Boks - knee to deck on feed, and despite recovering did it again, on the angle. Raynal didn't get involved?

    The reset engages at 59:40 (2:20 after the original scrum blown). Mbonambi's knee is nearly on the deck.

    Check out England's reserve lock behind Sinckler tho: gets into a high position, then moves his feet around the time of engage to adjust, then looks like he overextends a bit. Koch and Mbonambi - driven by Snyman - attack George and pop him out. Nche didn't have much to do with that TBF.

    Overhead shot shows Koch wasn't lined up 100% straight but they were going forward and George had nowhere to go but up.

    Genge, rightly complains before next scrum and BOK switches sides. Ox pushes Sinckler down and while he doesn't collapse it forces him to drop the bind and BOK penalises him (AR call). Not completely sure but suspect a fair penalty. However, important thing is BOK registers that Boks on top.

    63:09 - for me, this one is a problem. BOK calls Sinckler for losing his bind, but I think Koch is heading toward the deck because Mbonambi is packing so low. No way can Sinckler hold a bind if the Boks are driving downward, so a bit of a furphy I think.

    Genge asked BOK to watch the side he was on, and I think the AR on Sinckler's side who made the call got in his ear first.

    67:28 - England lose the hit, and hit the deck on the far side (Genge and George). Looked like a good call. Looked like Raynal made that one and he had the best view.

    73:39 - England get a bit of traction as Koch stays up, but ball comes out.

    75:12 - reset. 76:01 - England done for Genge driving in. The higher angle shows Koch is sideways as well, but by then BOK already has the Boks as a better scrum so those calls are only going one way.

    Great work!

    Several things.

    At 50.51 huge legal scrum and England pushed off own ball. Pakman Jr. at game commented that he couldn’t remember that against England, and the last time must have been a while ago.

    At 59.40 Koch is being aided by PSDT binding at 45 degrees and Koch is right on George so much so that PSDT almost ends up binding on Genge.

    That may have been the most critical call of entire match. First because penalty 10m out for England, and a score then might have been decisive. But for sure because it would have forced BOK to acknowledge that Boks weren’t blameless, which meant he might have been less inclined to penalise England.

    As for last one, haven’t watched yet on replay, but I suspect Lawes detaches early, so irrespective of if Koch was boring in Genge was lamb to slaughter. That said, I think there’s a fair chance Barnes would have blown the other way. Was right in front of BOK’s nose, though.

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    @pakman said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

    @NTA said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

    @pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

    Scrum at 57 Ox shunts Cole back a yard, but he jumps feet back and stays straight.

    Cole came off at 56 minutes? Nche came on around 49 minutes, so looking at scrums in that time, there is only 1:

    50:52 - England feed. Scrum engages. Cole at full extension, Nche arse over heels. After the feed England get drilled as Nche goes under and up. Tighthead to the Boks as the ball comes out. Play on.

    Scrum at 60ish, ten yards from Bok line, Sinckler pushes Ox back on engage, but on far side of scrum Koch comes in at 45 degrees and together with Bongi pops George. To me penalty England.

    Scrum awarded 57:19. Doesn't engage until 58:34 - so much for the new directives!

    Sinckler is on at that stage for Cole. Scrum hits, Koch on the TH side for the Boks goes to a knee on engage, then gets up but it hits the deck again prior to feed. Reset but I would have penalised the Boks - knee to deck on feed, and despite recovering did it again, on the angle. Raynal didn't get involved?

    The reset engages at 59:40 (2:20 after the original scrum blown). Mbonambi's knee is nearly on the deck.

    Check out England's reserve lock behind Sinckler tho: gets into a high position, then moves his feet around the time of engage to adjust, then looks like he overextends a bit. Koch and Mbonambi - driven by Snyman - attack George and pop him out. Nche didn't have much to do with that TBF.

    Overhead shot shows Koch wasn't lined up 100% straight but they were going forward and George had nowhere to go but up.

    Genge, rightly complains before next scrum and BOK switches sides. Ox pushes Sinckler down and while he doesn't collapse it forces him to drop the bind and BOK penalises him (AR call). Not completely sure but suspect a fair penalty. However, important thing is BOK registers that Boks on top.

    63:09 - for me, this one is a problem. BOK calls Sinckler for losing his bind, but I think Koch is heading toward the deck because Mbonambi is packing so low. No way can Sinckler hold a bind if the Boks are driving downward, so a bit of a furphy I think.

    Genge asked BOK to watch the side he was on, and I think the AR on Sinckler's side who made the call got in his ear first.

    67:28 - England lose the hit, and hit the deck on the far side (Genge and George). Looked like a good call. Looked like Raynal made that one and he had the best view.

    73:39 - England get a bit of traction as Koch stays up, but ball comes out.

    75:12 - reset. 76:01 - England done for Genge driving in. The higher angle shows Koch is sideways as well, but by then BOK already has the Boks as a better scrum so those calls are only going one way.

    Great work!

    Several things.

    At 50.51 huge legal scrum and England pushed off own ball. Pakman Jr. at game commented that he couldn’t remember that against England, and the last time must have been a while ago.

    At 59.40 Koch is being aided by PSDT binding at 45 degrees and Koch is right on George so much so that PSDT almost ends up binding on Genge.

    That may have been the most critical call of entire match. First because penalty 10m out for England, and a score then might have been decisive. But for sure because it would have forced BOK to acknowledge that Boks weren’t blameless, which meant he might have been less inclined to penalise England.

    As for last one, haven’t watched yet on replay, but I suspect Lawes detaches early, so irrespective of if Koch was boring in Genge was lamb to slaughter. That said, I think there’s a fair chance Barnes would have blown the other way. Was right in front of BOK’s nose, though.

    Now watched the rest.

    I'm entirely with @nta on the original scrum at 58.34. Koch (and possibly Mbonambi) knees on deck, ball at back of scrum ready fro Care to feed Faz.

    Based on how he reffed last scrum, that's a penalty to England. Or just let the ball go out, FCS! Engalnd hot on attack 10m out.

    Humungus momentum swing from that decision.

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      image.png

      WTF?

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        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/courtney-lawes-to-retire-from-england-duty-when-rugby-world-cup-ends/

        Didn't realise he'd been there that long. Debut in 2009, four RWCs

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        • antipodeanA antipodean

          image.png

          WTF?

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          @antipodean said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

          image.png

          WTF?

          Some of the refereeing appointments have been as quizzical as the the refereeing

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            https://www.rugbypass.com/news/courtney-lawes-to-retire-from-england-duty-when-rugby-world-cup-ends/

            Didn't realise he'd been there that long. Debut in 2009, four RWCs

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            @Duluth said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

            https://www.rugbypass.com/news/courtney-lawes-to-retire-from-england-duty-when-rugby-world-cup-ends/

            Didn't realise he'd been there that long. Debut in 2009, four RWCs

            Me neither

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              Is the poll live?

              Can't see it

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              • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                Is the poll live?

                Can't see it

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                @MiketheSnow

                It can be a bit flakey when you scroll up

                After scrolling, try refreshing

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                • DuluthD Duluth

                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/courtney-lawes-to-retire-from-england-duty-when-rugby-world-cup-ends/

                  Didn't realise he'd been there that long. Debut in 2009, four RWCs

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                  @Duluth said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/courtney-lawes-to-retire-from-england-duty-when-rugby-world-cup-ends/

                  Didn't realise he'd been there that long. Debut in 2009, four RWCs

                  Neither.

                  Impressive, hats off

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                    #43

                    England team named

                    Some surprises

                    Martin must be wondering wtf he has to do

                    Smith; Steward, Marchant, Tuilagi, Arundell; Farrell (capt), Youngs
                    Genge, Dan, Stuart, Itoje, Chessum, Curry, Underhill, Earl

                    Replacements:
                    George, Rodd, Cole, Ribbans, Ludlam, Care, Ford, Lawrence

                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67214277

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                    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                      Is the poll live?

                      Can't see it

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                      @MiketheSnow said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

                      Is the poll live?

                      Can't see it

                      Still there.

                      I can see results as I have voted.

                      ??

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                        Strange-looking team. Weird to leave George Martin out after his top-draw performance against the Spingboks.

                        https://twitter.com/englandrugby/status/1717141454558986247

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                        • sparkyS sparky

                          Strange-looking team. Weird to leave George Martin out after his top-draw performance against the Spingboks.

                          https://twitter.com/englandrugby/status/1717141454558986247

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                          @sparky

                          A bit strange yes but I'm not too disappointed given the squad.

                          It's a quick, hard tackling back row which should generate some quick ball but then we have Youngs at 9 to drop the tempo. Steward on the wing is an odd call for me too. a 15 or not on the park for me. A better balance to the bench too - except that we could be looking at having 3 fly halves on the pitch at any one time.

                          Malins for Steward, Mitchell for Youngs and Steward on the bench for Ford would look a whole lot better I feel.

                          And yes, no place for Martin after a very good show v SA is strange and it might have been good to give Itoje a rest. Maybe he's injured?

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                          • DuluthD Duluth

                            @MiketheSnow

                            It can be a bit flakey when you scroll up

                            After scrolling, try refreshing

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                            @Duluth said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

                            @MiketheSnow

                            It can be a bit flakey when you scroll up

                            After scrolling, try refreshing

                            Sorted

                            Thanks

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                              Duluth
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                              https://www.rugbypass.com/news/argentina-team-named-for-rematch-with-england/

                              alt text

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                              • P pakman

                                @pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                @NTA said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                @pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                Scrum at 57 Ox shunts Cole back a yard, but he jumps feet back and stays straight.

                                Cole came off at 56 minutes? Nche came on around 49 minutes, so looking at scrums in that time, there is only 1:

                                50:52 - England feed. Scrum engages. Cole at full extension, Nche arse over heels. After the feed England get drilled as Nche goes under and up. Tighthead to the Boks as the ball comes out. Play on.

                                Scrum at 60ish, ten yards from Bok line, Sinckler pushes Ox back on engage, but on far side of scrum Koch comes in at 45 degrees and together with Bongi pops George. To me penalty England.

                                Scrum awarded 57:19. Doesn't engage until 58:34 - so much for the new directives!

                                Sinckler is on at that stage for Cole. Scrum hits, Koch on the TH side for the Boks goes to a knee on engage, then gets up but it hits the deck again prior to feed. Reset but I would have penalised the Boks - knee to deck on feed, and despite recovering did it again, on the angle. Raynal didn't get involved?

                                The reset engages at 59:40 (2:20 after the original scrum blown). Mbonambi's knee is nearly on the deck.

                                Check out England's reserve lock behind Sinckler tho: gets into a high position, then moves his feet around the time of engage to adjust, then looks like he overextends a bit. Koch and Mbonambi - driven by Snyman - attack George and pop him out. Nche didn't have much to do with that TBF.

                                Overhead shot shows Koch wasn't lined up 100% straight but they were going forward and George had nowhere to go but up.

                                Genge, rightly complains before next scrum and BOK switches sides. Ox pushes Sinckler down and while he doesn't collapse it forces him to drop the bind and BOK penalises him (AR call). Not completely sure but suspect a fair penalty. However, important thing is BOK registers that Boks on top.

                                63:09 - for me, this one is a problem. BOK calls Sinckler for losing his bind, but I think Koch is heading toward the deck because Mbonambi is packing so low. No way can Sinckler hold a bind if the Boks are driving downward, so a bit of a furphy I think.

                                Genge asked BOK to watch the side he was on, and I think the AR on Sinckler's side who made the call got in his ear first.

                                67:28 - England lose the hit, and hit the deck on the far side (Genge and George). Looked like a good call. Looked like Raynal made that one and he had the best view.

                                73:39 - England get a bit of traction as Koch stays up, but ball comes out.

                                75:12 - reset. 76:01 - England done for Genge driving in. The higher angle shows Koch is sideways as well, but by then BOK already has the Boks as a better scrum so those calls are only going one way.

                                Great work!

                                Several things.

                                At 50.51 huge legal scrum and England pushed off own ball. Pakman Jr. at game commented that he couldn’t remember that against England, and the last time must have been a while ago.

                                At 59.40 Koch is being aided by PSDT binding at 45 degrees and Koch is right on George so much so that PSDT almost ends up binding on Genge.

                                That may have been the most critical call of entire match. First because penalty 10m out for England, and a score then might have been decisive. But for sure because it would have forced BOK to acknowledge that Boks weren’t blameless, which meant he might have been less inclined to penalise England.

                                As for last one, haven’t watched yet on replay, but I suspect Lawes detaches early, so irrespective of if Koch was boring in Genge was lamb to slaughter. That said, I think there’s a fair chance Barnes would have blown the other way. Was right in front of BOK’s nose, though.

                                https://twitter.com/elliotcorcoran/status/1716060742930080121

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                                @pakman said in RWC 3rd/4th: England v Argentina:

                                @pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                @NTA said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                @pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                Scrum at 57 Ox shunts Cole back a yard, but he jumps feet back and stays straight.

                                Cole came off at 56 minutes? Nche came on around 49 minutes, so looking at scrums in that time, there is only 1:

                                50:52 - England feed. Scrum engages. Cole at full extension, Nche arse over heels. After the feed England get drilled as Nche goes under and up. Tighthead to the Boks as the ball comes out. Play on.

                                Scrum at 60ish, ten yards from Bok line, Sinckler pushes Ox back on engage, but on far side of scrum Koch comes in at 45 degrees and together with Bongi pops George. To me penalty England.

                                Scrum awarded 57:19. Doesn't engage until 58:34 - so much for the new directives!

                                Sinckler is on at that stage for Cole. Scrum hits, Koch on the TH side for the Boks goes to a knee on engage, then gets up but it hits the deck again prior to feed. Reset but I would have penalised the Boks - knee to deck on feed, and despite recovering did it again, on the angle. Raynal didn't get involved?

                                The reset engages at 59:40 (2:20 after the original scrum blown). Mbonambi's knee is nearly on the deck.

                                Check out England's reserve lock behind Sinckler tho: gets into a high position, then moves his feet around the time of engage to adjust, then looks like he overextends a bit. Koch and Mbonambi - driven by Snyman - attack George and pop him out. Nche didn't have much to do with that TBF.

                                Overhead shot shows Koch wasn't lined up 100% straight but they were going forward and George had nowhere to go but up.

                                Genge, rightly complains before next scrum and BOK switches sides. Ox pushes Sinckler down and while he doesn't collapse it forces him to drop the bind and BOK penalises him (AR call). Not completely sure but suspect a fair penalty. However, important thing is BOK registers that Boks on top.

                                63:09 - for me, this one is a problem. BOK calls Sinckler for losing his bind, but I think Koch is heading toward the deck because Mbonambi is packing so low. No way can Sinckler hold a bind if the Boks are driving downward, so a bit of a furphy I think.

                                Genge asked BOK to watch the side he was on, and I think the AR on Sinckler's side who made the call got in his ear first.

                                67:28 - England lose the hit, and hit the deck on the far side (Genge and George). Looked like a good call. Looked like Raynal made that one and he had the best view.

                                73:39 - England get a bit of traction as Koch stays up, but ball comes out.

                                75:12 - reset. 76:01 - England done for Genge driving in. The higher angle shows Koch is sideways as well, but by then BOK already has the Boks as a better scrum so those calls are only going one way.

                                Great work!

                                Several things.

                                At 50.51 huge legal scrum and England pushed off own ball. Pakman Jr. at game commented that he couldn’t remember that against England, and the last time must have been a while ago.

                                At 59.40 Koch is being aided by PSDT binding at 45 degrees and Koch is right on George so much so that PSDT almost ends up binding on Genge.

                                That may have been the most critical call of entire match. First because penalty 10m out for England, and a score then might have been decisive. But for sure because it would have forced BOK to acknowledge that Boks weren’t blameless, which meant he might have been less inclined to penalise England.

                                As for last one, haven’t watched yet on replay, but I suspect Lawes detaches early, so irrespective of if Koch was boring in Genge was lamb to slaughter. That said, I think there’s a fair chance Barnes would have blown the other way. Was right in front of BOK’s nose, though.

                                https://twitter.com/elliotcorcoran/status/1716060742930080121

                                Jesus RG is a unit. Look at him screeching viking styles into Kochs face.

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                                  Argentinian veal to the slaughter

                                  Unless Farrell gets a RC

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                                    Who is getting booed all the time? Shitty crowd

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                                      Good start by the white fluffybunny

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                                        The kicking. Also no release from Curry at all.

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                                          England’s Player of the Tournament gets his first England try

                                          Thoroughly deserved

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