All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ
He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.
But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.
Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.I think we are confusing things. If Sititi had been a Sader and been picked for the ABs after an unheralded SR campaign, and then performed the way he has, I don't think there would be anywhere near the level of discord that EB got because his performances are perceived to be less convincing
Disagree mate. EB has been pretty good, which is why I changed my mind about him being a poor selection. Seems to me the anti-Crusaders mob are so caught up in their outrage over him being selected that they can't / won't see it.
Don't forget Sititi's first run off the bench was pretty bloody poor, and everybody was pretty forgiving - I'm damn sure that would not have been the case if he were a Crusader.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ
He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.
But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.
Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.I think we are confusing things. If Sititi had been a Sader and been picked for the ABs after an unheralded SR campaign, and then performed the way he has, I don't think there would be anywhere near the level of discord that EB got because his performances are perceived to be less convincing
Disagree mate. EB has been pretty good, which is why I changed my mind about him being a poor selection. Seems to me the anti-Crusaders mob are so caught up in their outrage over him being selected that they can't / won't see it.
Don't forget Sititi's first run off the bench was pretty bloody poor, and everybody was pretty forgiving - I'm damn sure that would not have been the case if he were a Crusader.I didn't think EB had been that effective. Although when they pick he and Cane in the same back row I don't think it helps as they are similar players
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"hey, we're scoring lots of points early but none late. We need to fix that. By jove I've got it! we'll take the guys who score all the points early, and get them off the field until the end, and get the guys who don't score any points late, and put them on the field early. Genius"
This isn't trying new things, this is retreading old mistakes.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
"hey, we're scoring lots of points early but none late. We need to fix that. By jove I've got it! we'll take the guys who score all the points early, and get them off the field until the end, and get the guys who don't score any points late, and put them on the field early. Genius"
This isn't trying new things, this is retreading old mistakes.
It just feels lazy and uninspiring. And wasteful, it is a test match after all, so one of a handful of chances to try out players each season
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ
He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.
But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.
Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too.
As a Blues fan I was calling for Sititi to be in the ABs after his semi final performance and was pleasantly surprised when he was named.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Herald has caught up on the fern
They are getting quicker though! Just not quick enough… unless there’s a journalist/reporter amongst us
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But why was he there under Foster then? Havili in the squad is not really a biased selection - he's not featured in the 23 until injury - AJ
He was a stop-gap in a RWC year as ALB was injured as was Goodhue. He was either OK or shit depending on which Test you looked at. Personally he tried his best and you can't ask for more.
But there's zero logic in having him in the 23 when you're in the first season of developing a squad as a new coach, and in a game which is an ideal opportunity to try new players. No reflection on DH, but if this really is the backline and bench, its shortsighted bollocks.
Goodhue is a stretch.
I do agree, and I wouldn't have picked him - but I see it as conservatism rather than jumping on everything and calling it Crusader bias. Cantablacks? with TJ, BB, ALB, RI, CC and WJ?
If Sititi were a Crusader and had been picked off 2 or 3 good games over Hoskins all of the Blues guys would be screaming Crusaders bias on that too. If Sam Cane or TJ or BB were Crusaders, same deal. It's just boring.I think we are confusing things. If Sititi had been a Sader and been picked for the ABs after an unheralded SR campaign, and then performed the way he has, I don't think there would be anywhere near the level of discord that EB got because his performances are perceived to be less convincing
Disagree mate. EB has been pretty good, which is why I changed my mind about him being a poor selection. Seems to me the anti-Crusaders mob are so caught up in their outrage over him being selected that they can't / won't see it.
Don't forget Sititi's first run off the bench was pretty bloody poor, and everybody was pretty forgiving - I'm damn sure that would not have been the case if he were a Crusader.Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
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"hey, we're scoring lots of points early but none late. We need to fix that. By jove I've got it! we'll take the guys who score all the points early, and get them off the field until the end, and get the guys who don't score any points late, and put them on the field early. Genius"
This isn't trying new things, this is retreading old mistakes.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
"hey, we're scoring lots of points early but none late. We need to fix that. By jove I've got it! we'll take the guys who score all the points early, and get them off the field until the end, and get the guys who don't score any points late, and put them on the field early. Genius"
This isn't trying new things, this is retreading old mistakes.
It's been pretty obvious that, whatever the punters might think, the coaches see Beaudy as their number 2 first five. He's pretty much been the injury cover throughout - so they're using this game to give him a run. Cheer up - I have a hunch Richie the Mo will be back ahead of schedule and then we'll have two good test first fives.
TJP's getting a farewell on his home ground - I don't really like this sort of sentimentality, but it's a thing - personnel management, I guess.
They're planning to replace ALB rather than Rieko, so Havili rather than Proctor.
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Got senz on while I’m working,
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Got senz on while I’m working,
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Got senz on while I’m working,
Thought I’d drop this here ,
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@kiwiinmelb Ok thinking about it is he the possible replacement for Jordie?
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@kiwiinmelb I've heard he will be included in EOYT , but why would he be in Wellington?
@george33 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb I've heard he will be included in EOYT , but why would he be in Wellington?
In town for the big red n black circle jerk
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@Machpants would have thought he replaced Reuben Love, and possibly Ennor in for Jordie.
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@Machpants would have thought he replaced Reuben Love, and possibly Ennor in for Jordie.
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Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
True, but my point stands. If Blackadder had put in that performance the Fern would have been awash with undeserved crusaders biased selection posts.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
True, but my point stands. If Blackadder had put in that performance the Fern would have been awash with undeserved crusaders biased selection posts.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
True, but my point stands. If Blackadder had put in that performance the Fern would have been awash with undeserved crusaders biased selection posts.
IIRC posters weren't very happy with Wallace either. But since then he's had two excellent games, including one MOTM performance to win the panel over. I want to be impressed by EB, I hope that happens one day because I have no provincial bias. I just want the ABs to play well and win, wherever they are from
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You can't build a team around players who are constantly injured. It's detrimental to have players working their way back into form in test rugby.
Injuries are a fact of life in today's rugby. Off the top of my head, this year.
Blackadder ditto and currently injured.I think the post was particularly about Blackadder.
I'll just repeat this:
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You can't build a team around players who are constantly injured. It's detrimental to have players working their way back into form in test rugby.
Injuries are a fact of life in today's rugby. Off the top of my head, this year.
Blackadder ditto and currently injured.I think the post was particularly about Blackadder.
I'll just repeat this:
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.On the other hand - Will Jordan made his debut for Super Rugby team the Crusaders in 2019 after missing the 2018 season with injury. He's played 50 Super games in the same period as Ethan, so he's testing you guys' limits as well.
But, he's also scoring test tries at a rate unprecedented in All Black history and we're going to be a bit thin in the back three without him. In the sights
Player Tries Tests
Rieko 37 - 76
Jonah 37 - 63
Tana 36 - 74
JK 35 - 63
Mils 34 - 100
Will 34 - 36
Ma'a 31 - 103 -
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
True, but my point stands. If Blackadder had put in that performance the Fern would have been awash with undeserved crusaders biased selection posts.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
True, but my point stands. If Blackadder had put in that performance the Fern would have been awash with undeserved crusaders biased selection posts.
Well if Blackadder was a 21 year old rookie who was the best player in a Super Rugby semi final this year I suspect he wouldn't have received criticism......
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Mate you are not remembering things correctly. Sititi was great off the bench his first time against Fiji. He was poor his second time off the bench in the first Pumas test where he was penalised 3x in 20 minutes.
True, but my point stands. If Blackadder had put in that performance the Fern would have been awash with undeserved crusaders biased selection posts.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You can't build a team around players who are constantly injured. It's detrimental to have players working their way back into form in test rugby.
Injuries are a fact of life in today's rugby. Off the top of my head, this year.
Blackadder ditto and currently injured.I think the post was particularly about Blackadder.
I'll just repeat this:
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.On the other hand - Will Jordan made his debut for Super Rugby team the Crusaders in 2019 after missing the 2018 season with injury. He's played 50 Super games in the same period as Ethan, so he's testing you guys' limits as well.
But, he's also scoring test tries at a rate unprecedented in All Black history and we're going to be a bit thin in the back three without him. In the sights
Player Tries Tests
Rieko 37 - 76
Jonah 37 - 63
Tana 36 - 74
JK 35 - 63
Mils 34 - 100
Will 34 - 36
Ma'a 31 - 103@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You can't build a team around players who are constantly injured. It's detrimental to have players working their way back into form in test rugby.
Injuries are a fact of life in today's rugby. Off the top of my head, this year.
Blackadder ditto and currently injured.I think the post was particularly about Blackadder.
I'll just repeat this:
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.On the other hand - Will Jordan made his debut for Super Rugby team the Crusaders in 2019 after missing the 2018 season with injury. He's played 50 Super games in the same period as Ethan, so he's testing you guys' limits as well.
But, he's also scoring test tries at a rate unprecedented in All Black history and we're going to be a bit thin in the back three without him. In the sights
Player Tries Tests
Rieko 37 - 76
Jonah 37 - 63
Tana 36 - 74
JK 35 - 63
Mils 34 - 100
Will 34 - 36
Ma'a 31 - 103he's slipping...
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You can't build a team around players who are constantly injured. It's detrimental to have players working their way back into form in test rugby.
Injuries are a fact of life in today's rugby. Off the top of my head, this year.
Blackadder ditto and currently injured.I think the post was particularly about Blackadder.
I'll just repeat this:
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.On the other hand - Will Jordan made his debut for Super Rugby team the Crusaders in 2019 after missing the 2018 season with injury. He's played 50 Super games in the same period as Ethan, so he's testing you guys' limits as well.
But, he's also scoring test tries at a rate unprecedented in All Black history and we're going to be a bit thin in the back three without him. In the sights
Player Tries Tests
Rieko 37 - 76
Jonah 37 - 63
Tana 36 - 74
JK 35 - 63
Mils 34 - 100
Will 34 - 36
Ma'a 31 - 103he's slipping...
@nostrildamus He'll be back!
His only rugby this year prior to the tests was 60 minutes of NPC warm-up vs Manawatu!
