England vs. Australia (2024)
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@NTA said in England vs. Australia (2024):
Rumour is Suaalii at 12 and Ikitau at 14
And Kerevi at 13? Surely not... 12 Kerevi, Ikitau 13 and Suaalii 14 has to be the go if Suaalii is starting.
In saying that, I'd be surprised if Suaalii does start - give him some minutes off the bench on the wing and then maybe give him a start in the midfield against Wales (or for Australia A).
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@barbarian said in England vs. Australia (2024):
No I think Kerevi on the bench. Ikitau at 13, not 14.
According to Christy Doran, who's usually on the money, Suaalii will start at 13 but, sensibly, will defend at inside centre. Ikitau will wear 12.
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a thought.
A debut at Twickenham is not the easiest place to learn rugby's interpretation of a high tackle and how very different it is to league
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a reminder of his last rep game
@mariner4life said in England vs. Australia (2024):
a reminder of his last rep game
The 20 minute red card that all NH Rugby pundits fear...
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he does that v England he'll be hanged.
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@Catogrande said in England vs. Australia (2024):
If Kerevi still had what it takes I think he will cause us all sorts of bother. Borthwick has swapped Lawrence and Slade around and given that under our defensive plan 12 & 13 have quite distinct roles, I fear a mix up or two and Kerevi on form is more than capable of taking advantage.
its such a strange decision. I know NZ favour the second five eighth model but we've always looked better, and so has Smith, with a hard running 12 on his shoulder. We will look flimsy in the 10 / 12 channel in defence too.
@Dodge said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@Catogrande said in England vs. Australia (2024):
If Kerevi still had what it takes I think he will cause us all sorts of bother. Borthwick has swapped Lawrence and Slade around and given that under our defensive plan 12 & 13 have quite distinct roles, I fear a mix up or two and Kerevi on form is more than capable of taking advantage.
its such a strange decision. I know NZ favour the second five eighth model but we've always looked better, and so has Smith, with a hard running 12 on his shoulder. We will look flimsy in the 10 / 12 channel in defence too.
Not sure we have really had one of those for awhile..
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@Dodge said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@Catogrande said in England vs. Australia (2024):
If Kerevi still had what it takes I think he will cause us all sorts of bother. Borthwick has swapped Lawrence and Slade around and given that under our defensive plan 12 & 13 have quite distinct roles, I fear a mix up or two and Kerevi on form is more than capable of taking advantage.
its such a strange decision. I know NZ favour the second five eighth model but we've always looked better, and so has Smith, with a hard running 12 on his shoulder. We will look flimsy in the 10 / 12 channel in defence too.
Not sure we have really had one of those for awhile..
@nostrildamus if you dismiss Havili it's probably been almost ten years.
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Australia:
15 Tom Wright, 14 Andrew Kellaway, 13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii, 12 Len Ikitau, 11 Dylan Pietsch, 10 Noah Lolesio, 9 Jake Gordon, 8 Harry Wilson (c), 7 Fraser McReight, 6 Rob Valetini, 5 Jeremy Williams, 4 Nick Frost, 3 Taniela Tupou, 2 Matt Faessler, 1 Angus Bell
Replacements: 16 Brandon Paenga-Amosa, 17 James Slipper, 18 Allan Alaalatoa, 19 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, 20 Langi Gleeson, 21 Tate McDermott, 22 Ben Donaldson, 23 Max Jorgensen -
Australia:
15 Tom Wright, 14 Andrew Kellaway, 13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii, 12 Len Ikitau, 11 Dylan Pietsch, 10 Noah Lolesio, 9 Jake Gordon, 8 Harry Wilson (c), 7 Fraser McReight, 6 Rob Valetini, 5 Jeremy Williams, 4 Nick Frost, 3 Taniela Tupou, 2 Matt Faessler, 1 Angus Bell
Replacements: 16 Brandon Paenga-Amosa, 17 James Slipper, 18 Allan Alaalatoa, 19 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, 20 Langi Gleeson, 21 Tate McDermott, 22 Ben Donaldson, 23 Max Jorgensen@Daffy-Jaffy said in England vs. Australia (2024):
13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii
Luckily for him that is not one of the most complex positions to defend at!
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in England vs. Australia (2024):
13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii
Luckily for him that is not one of the most complex positions to defend at!
@Machpants said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@Daffy-Jaffy said in England vs. Australia (2024):
13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii
Luckily for him that is not one of the most complex positions to defend at!
Sounds like Suaalii is going to defend at 12
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@Machpants said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@Daffy-Jaffy said in England vs. Australia (2024):
13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii
Luckily for him that is not one of the most complex positions to defend at!
Sounds like Suaalii is going to defend at 12
@KiwiMurph said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@Machpants said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@Daffy-Jaffy said in England vs. Australia (2024):
13 Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii
Luckily for him that is not one of the most complex positions to defend at!
Sounds like Suaalii is going to defend at 12
"Smash the fop in the white #10 shirt" sounds pretty easy? :winking_face_with_tongue:
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I imagine there will be a fair few high balls for Suaalii to contest as well - if Lolesio doesn't drop the fucking ball.
TBH I'd prefer Edmed at 10 against England. Maybe his ceiling is lower than others. Maybe his reputation is enhanced by a NH side featuring Hall and Stevenson.
But, sometimes, you just need an angry ranga taking on the line.
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I imagine there will be a fair few high balls for Suaalii to contest as well - if Lolesio doesn't drop the fucking ball.
TBH I'd prefer Edmed at 10 against England. Maybe his ceiling is lower than others. Maybe his reputation is enhanced by a NH side featuring Hall and Stevenson.
But, sometimes, you just need an angry ranga taking on the line.
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@NTA will be interesting when Edmed gets a crack on this tour and in what capacity (against who, starter vs bench)
@KiwiMurph said in England vs. Australia (2024):
@NTA will be interesting when Edmed gets a crack on this tour and in what capacity (against who, starter vs bench)
With Ben Donaldson theoretically the first understudy, Edmed will probaby only start if Schmidt's happy throwing Donaldson at fullback for a match instead of giving him a go at 10.
Regardless, you'd think it'd be against Scotland in the third week of the tour. If they lose this game then they'll want to bank a win against their easiest opposition, Wales. If they win this game, they'll want to keep the dream of a grand slam alive against Wales. So either way you'd imagine they'll largely keep the same team in tact for the first couple of matches.
The best chance of Edmed/Donaldson getting a run at 10 is if Australia lose this weekend and then win against Wales, in which case they might get some proper minutes against Scotland.
