Wallabies v Lions II
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@nzzp I see it different, looked like a legit ruck clearance to me. One that happens at every ruck multiple times. If you're gonna double over to try and get the ball, someone's going to try and smoke you. Flying out holding the sniper's bullet from a very minor head contact should always get short thrift.
@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@nzzp I see it different, looked like a legit ruck clearance to me. One that happens at every ruck multiple times. If you're gonna double over to try and get the ball, someone's going to try and smoke you. Flying out holding the sniper's bullet from a very minor head contact should always get short thrift.
Looking at it again it wasn't even a ruck. Still only a tackle when Morgan arrives because Morgan is the first Lions player there.
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that penalty/non penalty probably sums up rugby at the moment.contact with head is a penalty except when its not.
I'm happy it's wasn't called because what could Morgan have done he got low wasn't upright made head contact because other guy was low as well
but as we have seen countless times before head contact is automatic penalty. -
If that’s illegal then the whole game has to change, Watch the ruck before that last clear out again, exactly the same thing happened but no Hollywood so no one mentions it.
In the last ruck, the Australian player was never behind the back foot, came in from the side and got cleared out exactly as we would watch any other player do.
It’s either a problem or it isn’t. If it is, then we need to fundamentally change how competing for the ball happens
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@nzzp I see it different, looked like a legit ruck clearance to me. One that happens at every ruck multiple times. If you're gonna double over to try and get the ball, someone's going to try and smoke you. Flying out holding the sniper's bullet from a very minor head contact should always get short thrift.
@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
One that happens at every ruck multiple times.
And we have mauls that are illegal all the time, but only the ones leading up to tries are cross-examined for obstruction. :man_shrugging:
Whatever. It's gone now. We gave up an 18 point lead and it'll be another barren year as we get pumped by everyone in TRC.
The sky isn't falling; it has fallen. I'm far enough inside the tent to see that we're never getting out of this hole because nobody in Australian rugby really wants meaningful change.
Micro example: I had to referee a game yesterday, because the association didn't have refs available for our game.
Meanwhile, 18 schools games had referees in the Saturday afternoon timeslot. Which sounds great until you realise:
A. they could play midweek because they're fucking SCHOOLS, and
B. schools don't give a flying fuck about any other part of the rugby landscape; they just care about putting names of Waratahs/Wallabies up in gold leaf on an honour board and pumping obscene amounts of money into beating their old rivals. -
@MiketheSnow yeah I thought Lynagh looked at home. I'd take him in the ABs just for the kicking from hand. Actually.... reminds me of Plummer.
@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@MiketheSnow yeah I thought Lynagh looked at home. I'd take him in the ABs just for the kicking from hand. Actually.... reminds me of Plummer.
I must admit, a couple of times I almost felt a little jealous when the Wallabies kicked deep into the corners to put the Lions' LO under pressure
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Well Morgan Turinui has done his job. As the token rugby guy the first thing I was asked at footy this morning was about "that penalty"
Robbery narrative set in stone
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that penalty/non penalty probably sums up rugby at the moment.contact with head is a penalty except when its not.
I'm happy it's wasn't called because what could Morgan have done he got low wasn't upright made head contact because other guy was low as well
but as we have seen countless times before head contact is automatic penalty.@ploughboy said in Wallabies v Lions II:
that penalty/non penalty probably sums up rugby at the moment.contact with head is a penalty except when its not.
Agree 100% with that.
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Head contact isn’t always a penalty. The first question is “ was there foul play”. The flow diagram the refs follow even mentions something like “no fault rugby collision”
No foul play, but those cleaners had no intention of staying on their feet. But that rule was ignored throughout the game
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@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
One that happens at every ruck multiple times.
And we have mauls that are illegal all the time, but only the ones leading up to tries are cross-examined for obstruction. :man_shrugging:
Whatever. It's gone now. We gave up an 18 point lead and it'll be another barren year as we get pumped by everyone in TRC.
The sky isn't falling; it has fallen. I'm far enough inside the tent to see that we're never getting out of this hole because nobody in Australian rugby really wants meaningful change.
Micro example: I had to referee a game yesterday, because the association didn't have refs available for our game.
Meanwhile, 18 schools games had referees in the Saturday afternoon timeslot. Which sounds great until you realise:
A. they could play midweek because they're fucking SCHOOLS, and
B. schools don't give a flying fuck about any other part of the rugby landscape; they just care about putting names of Waratahs/Wallabies up in gold leaf on an honour board and pumping obscene amounts of money into beating their old rivals.@NTA said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
One that happens at every ruck multiple times.
And we have mauls that are illegal all the time, but only the ones leading up to tries are cross-examined for obstruction. :man_shrugging:
Whatever. It's gone now. We gave up an 18 point lead and it'll be another barren year as we get pumped by everyone in TRC.
The sky isn't falling; it has fallen. I'm far enough inside the tent to see that we're never getting out of this hole because nobody in Australian rugby really wants meaningful change.
Micro example: I had to referee a game yesterday, because the association didn't have refs available for our game.
Meanwhile, 18 schools games had referees in the Saturday afternoon timeslot. Which sounds great until you realise:
A. they could play midweek because they're fucking SCHOOLS, and
B. schools don't give a flying fuck about any other part of the rugby landscape; they just care about putting names of Waratahs/Wallabies up in gold leaf on an honour board and pumping obscene amounts of money into beating their old rivals.All a bit doom and gloom mate. Let’s put it is this way - if Valentini had been able to play a full 80 - heck, even 70 - last night, I reckon we wouldn’t be talking about the ref, we’d be getting pumped for a decider in 6 days time at Homebush
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Head contact isn’t always a penalty. The first question is “ was there foul play”. The flow diagram the refs follow even mentions something like “no fault rugby collision”
No foul play, but those cleaners had no intention of staying on their feet. But that rule was ignored throughout the game
@Duluth said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Head contact isn’t always a penalty. The first question is “ was there foul play”. The flow diagram the refs follow even mentions something like “no fault rugby collision”
No foul play, but those cleaners had no intention of staying on their feet. But that rule was ignored throughout the game
Leaving feet is ignored more often than not but usually when there is head or neck contact it becomes a problem.
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The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
@booboo said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
As always in rugby it's not black and white.
Here is what World Rugby clarified a couple of years ago
In principle, in a try scoring situation, if the action is deemed to be a dive forward for a try, then it should be permitted. If a player is deemed to have left the ground to avoid a tackle; or to jump, or hurdle a potential tackler, then this is dangerous play and should be sanctioned accordingly. -
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
@booboo said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
I think they were repeating the ref's assertion
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@booboo said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
As always in rugby it's not black and white.
Here is what World Rugby clarified a couple of years ago
In principle, in a try scoring situation, if the action is deemed to be a dive forward for a try, then it should be permitted. If a player is deemed to have left the ground to avoid a tackle; or to jump, or hurdle a potential tackler, then this is dangerous play and should be sanctioned accordingly.@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@booboo said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The most egregious refereeing was allowing Sheehan to dive over tacklers to score a try.
Strangely the Aus comms were ok with that one. Said diving for a try was OK.
...???
As always in rugby it's not black and white.
Here is what World Rugby clarified a couple of years ago
In principle, in a try scoring situation, if the action is deemed to be a dive forward for a try, then it should be permitted. If a player is deemed to have left the ground to avoid a tackle; or to jump, or hurdle a potential tackler, then this is dangerous play and should be sanctioned accordingly.I don't think the refs got that one right. In that context - a quick tap with a wall of defenders in front of you - diving like that to "score a try" is not really a reasonable action despite being close to the line. The intention of it was first and foremost to jump/hurdle multiple potential head on tacklers which is outlawed for safety reasons.
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@NTA said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
One that happens at every ruck multiple times.
And we have mauls that are illegal all the time, but only the ones leading up to tries are cross-examined for obstruction. :man_shrugging:
Whatever. It's gone now. We gave up an 18 point lead and it'll be another barren year as we get pumped by everyone in TRC.
The sky isn't falling; it has fallen. I'm far enough inside the tent to see that we're never getting out of this hole because nobody in Australian rugby really wants meaningful change.
Micro example: I had to referee a game yesterday, because the association didn't have refs available for our game.
Meanwhile, 18 schools games had referees in the Saturday afternoon timeslot. Which sounds great until you realise:
A. they could play midweek because they're fucking SCHOOLS, and
B. schools don't give a flying fuck about any other part of the rugby landscape; they just care about putting names of Waratahs/Wallabies up in gold leaf on an honour board and pumping obscene amounts of money into beating their old rivals.All a bit doom and gloom mate. Let’s put it is this way - if Valentini had been able to play a full 80 - heck, even 70 - last night, I reckon we wouldn’t be talking about the ref, we’d be getting pumped for a decider in 6 days time at Homebush
@voodoo said in Wallabies v Lions II:
All a bit doom and gloom mate. Let’s put it is this way - if Valentini had been able to play a full 80 - heck, even 70 - last night, I reckon we wouldn’t be talking about the ref, we’d be getting pumped for a decider in 6 days time at Homebush
But we're not, are we? Valetini was critical to our chances, and that's one issue (depth) among many.
We gave up control of the game and an 18 point lead. Some dumb fuck penalties like Wilson's clean out past the ruck. Not being able to make simple one on one tackles.
Yeah we've cleaned up our ruck work but they took years and a change in coach.
The systems are fucked. They've been wrecked by successive mismanagement over the last 2 decades.
The grassroots game is dying in the arse. A lot of people like me are sick of trying to push the barrow, while watching the absolute fuckery being perpetrated by the corporates with no feel for the game or the people who care about it.
We pretend it's all rosy because WR handed the retarded kid the RWC hosting rights to try and save a nation that is rapidly sliding to Tier 2.
