Auckland v Waikato
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Unbelievable ..!
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Bad miss by Clark. Pushed in too hard, then couldn't come across quick enough to chase an old man down.
Nice break by Sopoaga.
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lol Auckland fluffed that.
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Stunning comeback by Waikato ..thats what you want from your bench ..Sopaga and Cook Savage bought it in spades
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I'm not sure how we won that. Midway through the 2nd half I would have been happy with a BP. Cook-Savage showed why he needs to be starting, and get his hands on the ball as much as possible. The good news as a Waikato supporter is that there were a lot of players still to return.
You've got to love the NPC. Sure, the skill level is lower but the teams are willing to play.
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The issue was the subs. Choat lasting for a few minutes meant we had no impact in the loose forwards and the starting lock, Cribb, had to move into loose forward
Not sure what happened in the backs. Were both Spencer and Vai injured? They both went off in the 70th minute replaced by Gordon and Arscott and Funaki had to go to the wing
Defence was a mess with compromised loose forwards and outside backs in the last 10mins. Probably shouldn't have gone for that penalty kick and gone for a 5m lineout
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@Bovidae said in Auckland v Waikato:
Auckland had more SR players in their XV than Waikato, so I don't think that they were that inexperienced. Plenty of players making debuts off the bench in both teams.
There are SR players and SR players. The likes of Che Clark and Payton Spencer are green as hell.
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@KiwiMurph said in Auckland v Waikato:
There are SR players and SR players. The likes of Che Clark and Payton Spencer are green as hell.
I wasn't counting those guys, or Saifoloi and Anderson for Waikato. More those that are regularly in the 23 or have been.
Speaking of the bench players, Liam Anderson impressed as someone who was playing U20s this year.
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I was interested in the blindside match-up in this game – 1.95m, 114 kg Xavier Saifoloi vs. 1.94m, 105+ kg (he looks to have put on a bit of weight?) Che Clark – as they’re two bigger bodies with a lot of potential.
Watching a player like Saifoloi, however, constantly hanging around in the 15 metre channel while watching the play unfold on the other side of the field – neither finding ways to get himself involved, nor his teammates succeeding in getting him involved – was more than a bit frustrating.
Part of this is on Saifoloi, of course, not having the rugby sense to make the play come to him (this also becomes further apparent when comparing his positioning and involvements to Andrew Smith, his replacement, who was much more active in looking for ball and contact). But part of this is also, I think, on NZ Rugby’s inability – I believe it’s a countrywide issue – to properly find ways to both (1) create game plans which gets the most out of these bigger bodies and (2) upskill and develop these players to their full potential.
A player like Saifoloi isn’t meant, in my view, to play 73 minutes while barely getting any involvements. You use a player like that to physically bully the opposition and dominate the gain line, making him empty the tank for 45 minutes and then sub him.
Watching last week’s Test between the Wallabies and British and Irish Lions, it was obvious how valuable big bodies are in modern day rugby. There are plenty of players like Skelton and Valetini in New Zealand; the issue, however, is you need to start using them to the best of their abilities rather than just make them play the same 1-3-3-1 edge forward template. Give players like Saifoloi the ball in his hands and tell him to smash the opposition until he’s out of gas.
Good game, though.
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@Duluth said in Auckland v Waikato:
The issue was the subs. Choat lasting for a few minutes meant we had no impact in the loose forwards and the starting lock, Cribb, had to move into loose forward
Not sure what happened in the backs. Were both Spencer and Vai injured? They both went off in the 70th minute replaced by Gordon and Arscott and Funaki had to go to the wing
Defence was a mess with compromised loose forwards and outside backs in the last 10mins. Probably shouldn't have gone for that penalty kick and gone for a 5m lineout
This reminds me of Lions 2017 II. We were handling Lions with 14 until SOB stiff armed Naholo. That muntered the makeshift defence and Lions sneaked an EPIC victory.
That series could and probably should have been a Lions whitewash.
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@Mauss said in Auckland v Waikato:
I was interested in the blindside match-up in this game – 1.95m, 114 kg Xavier Saifoloi vs. 1.94m, 105+ kg (he looks to have put on a bit of weight?) Che Clark – as they’re two bigger bodies with a lot of potential.
Watching a player like Saifoloi, however, constantly hanging around in the 15 metre channel while watching the play unfold on the other side of the field – neither finding ways to get himself involved, nor his teammates succeeding in getting him involved – was more than a bit frustrating.
Part of this is on Saifoloi, of course, not having the rugby sense to make the play come to him (this also becomes further apparent when comparing his positioning and involvements to Andrew Smith, his replacement, who was much more active in looking for ball and contact). But part of this is also, I think, on NZ Rugby’s inability – I believe it’s a countrywide issue – to properly find ways to both (1) create game plans which gets the most out of these bigger bodies and (2) upskill and develop these players to their full potential.
A player like Saifoloi isn’t meant, in my view, to play 73 minutes while barely getting any involvements. You use a player like that to physically bully the opposition and dominate the gain line, making him empty the tank for 45 minutes and then sub him.
Watching last week’s Test between the Wallabies and British and Irish Lions, it was obvious how valuable big bodies are in modern day rugby. There are plenty of players like Skelton and Valetini in New Zealand; the issue, however, is you need to start using them to the best of their abilities rather than just make them play the same 1-3-3-1 edge forward template. Give players like Saifoloi the ball in his hands and tell him to smash the opposition until he’s out of gas.
Good game, though.
Are the ABs/Super teams too ‘refined’ to employ such blunt instruments?
