The Silver Fern

Hoping Jase Ryan has a convo with the loose trio that goes something like this:

6 - fold cvnts
7 - steal from cvnts
8 - run between cvnts

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How the fuck did England lose that?

Because on the whole, we were better.

3 tries (created) to one (stolen).

England had about 25mins on top.

We had the rest.

Those giving it the "we are useless" were also saying we did not have the ability, the mental fortitude to come back. Well guess what? We did.

Needed two scores. We got them.

Needed to disrupt a dg attempt. Reserve scrum stands up.

Completely different if that dg goes over... but it didn’t.

Much, much to work on. Intelligence would be the first. But let's take the win.

One hundy. No it wasn't perfect but everything these RazorH8ers have been saying we need to do to win, we did.

By accident rather than design.

This wasn’t Nonu putting Dagg into the corner in Soweto.

This was us fluking a win by a rizla paper.

Guys come on.

England lost that. We didn’t win it.

Oh fuck off. Go watch the Kiwis. They just beat England at Twickenham, 3 tries to an intercept, bench added impact, we outscored them in the last 15 mins.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Wanted a few more minutes of Oz commentators eating humble pie but hey that isn't the Oz way, plus I guess they have to pander to their audience..

Justin Harrison is a damn good analyst of the game. Complete c*nt of a player but he's extremely articulate, and well spoken. He lost the plot a bit when Nika didn't award the PK from Taylor but he gives credit where it's due.

Fucking unreal the doomsdayers on here. It was a shit night for rugby but the boys wanted to play. They are creating a lot of indecision in the opposition defence, they're just fucking up with hands.

I still think Roigard off the bench is good for us right now. Ratima dealt with a lot of shit that NB shouldn't have allowed as well as the big boys. I'd rather Roigard finish with decent minutes than Rat. Funnychiw quickly everyone has turned on him.

Second week in a row where the boys have managed the last 20 to come through. They didn't let the game get away in the second half and did the business.
Jordie and Rieks were superb. They're cart horses in the midfield.

CammyR. His huge left boot got us out of that last ten. Big booming kicks.

Fuck the D-Mac hate. He's causing all sorts of shit. He kicked his goals and challenged the line.

Boys took most of the bombs too. Superb.

How good does AA look now he has some minutes on the field. So now we have CT, ST, AA and a few others below them.

I've been harping on for yonks ever since they decided to put Marky Mark on the left his best position is 14. He just beats defenders like nobody's business.

Not hearing too much of the Razor hate at the moment...

Fuck me we have gone to shit again.

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Mehrts has lost weight

Sell his diet to Ian Smith?

I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle. HOWEVER, we still need to recognise we aren't getting the rub of the green and plan accordingly.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

But also came close to blowing that game wide open. Ratima gave them the "in".

Exactly my point. We threw the opportunity away. Again.

Would you rather be the ABs creating opportunities or England creating none? No one is saying it was flawless. Pretty fucking sure we're all frustrated AF with all the missed opportunities we don't finish. But we scored three tries, finished the game stronger, and win despite ourselves. England fluffed kicks at the end.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Frye said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Would be classic if the Irish crowd booed the Haka considering their self-righteous stance on booing kicks

Piss them off. Do the haka in the sheds.

Better still, POM pops out, "you're a shit Te Rauparaha"...

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Too many mistakes from DMac.

Yeah but he's causing some issues with their defence.

Have to say, JGP is an absolute brilliant player.

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Americas cup:

For whatever reason this thread made me go back to watch footage of One Australia sinking back in 95. Hilarious at the time but how tf did that even happen?

Came down to karma, if you believe in that. One Australia broke the rules by essentially building three boats, one under the Australian Challenge which violated the 2 boat rule per syndicate.

Anyways, AUS-35 was built without support beams running fore and aft and relied on the mast an keel bulkhead. Apparently during the race the primary winch failed and they used the running backstay winch pulling the bow and stern together. Interestingly, the hull without the rigging and the keel etc weighed only 1.1 tonnes. The keel and bulb weighed 17 tonnes.

@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader the communication, confidence, trust and tenacity shown there has become very rare in the past 6 years. Amazing to watch that and see them just all lined up every time, getting off the ground and not panicking.

I might be getting sentimental in my old age, but that whole sequence made me feel pretty proud as an AB fan.

I didn't believe the ABs had it in them to play that well for that long. At the end of the game I literally laughed out loud - it was a ridiculous win

I gave a huge mouthfull. For the last 7 years, since Chicago the Irish have been blowing their horn, labelling everyone as cheats, acting like pork chops on the field, trashed talked, called for YC before teams were already on the field, lost any and all sense of balance in analysis claiming the right to win and then that happened and what was even sweeter was seeing little Jonny lose his shit at Rieko.

We had a gem in Nonu. Not tall but solid AF and had wheels. CC is built similar. I know he's our 11 right now but could he be an option with JB and AJLam in the future?

I still think Tele'a is a right wing.

We are so damn close. We bossed them again on attack for 50 mins.

WJ is not going to have a blinder every test but he had zero impact at all. WT looked good.

Again just some baffling calls by the refs but AGAIN, we have to acknowledge that the pictures we are painting aren't in the refs favour and we need to take them out of the game.

I refuse to believe we are worse than the Wallabies and Argies right now.

My god. The ref was awful. Seriously, if that were the other way round he'd be forced into early retirement by now.

We need to play the ref better. We simply aren't getting the calls so they need to figure it out.

I'm sick of us being nice. F@ck that. TJ must have said something pretty rough but then our goddam leaders need to be getting in the refs ear to sort this out. They're all over the ball and we're letting it happen. The ABs must wonder what it's going to take to get a favourable call but it's not going to happen unless they address it with the ref mid game. McCaw wouldn't let the ref get away with this shit. He'd also fark up his blokes to take the ref out of the game.

F@ck that Bongi try.

These f@cking dinks over the top in our own half. F@ck them to hell.

Our kick off receipts. Every time we scored we were back under pressure because we couldn't take the kick off or we didn't clear our half because of a dinky little piss kick or we kicked it out on the full.

SF amounted to sweet FA. Came on, have away a penalty and sealed the loss.

There were times we needed to keep the ball in hand because we had them overlapped and then kicked it and ended up back in the same shit field position they started with.

Razor must have been pulling his hair out. Time to go on the offensive. Start calling out shit. Sore losers? Yes we should be because this is unacceptable.

@Gunner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

Guarantee if that first Bok try was an All Black try, the replay would have been on the big screen being played over and over until the try was scrubbed out.
That’s as bad a reffing error as it gets in this day and age of checking everything.

That Emirates A380 would have circled back with a digital display in tow broadcasting a 4 part analysis by Big Vic how it wasn't a try, the 7 overriding factors as to why it wasn't demonstrating the refs are in the ABs pockets and world rugby is introducing new laws to tame the Bokke all within 15 seconds of the try being scored.

@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

15-5 penalty count?

Your side needs better discipline and game management

Oh we're getting humped by the refs right now. It's ridiculous. However, it's like we're ignoring the fact we aren't getting the rub of the green and just going business as usual. Nek minit, YC and we're back in our own 22 defending.

@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

@LatsToTheMax said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

@Mattasaurus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

@Gunner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:

Just watched.

We were totally fucked in the rucks, partly by ourselves but mostly that fucking fluffybunny ref. It’s like there were different rules for both teams.

The officiating of the rucks in the 1st 15mins was very fucking different to what we got pinged for later in the game....

same old dodgy bull shit in SA.. who'd thought.

We wuz robbed. Same as the WC final last year eh?

100% and they should come out and say so.

Who is “they”?

Players, coaches. Stop pussy footing around. They're coping more than their fair share of shit calls and it needs to called out.

Say what you want about Marky T, but he does a lot of the shit work. He's saved us in a couple of times in rucks. Cleans up some shit tip ball...

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.

1. Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.

2. I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.

3. Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.

4. This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.

I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

Agree with all of this.

I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.

Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.

This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.

We are all fur coat and no knickers.

We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.

Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.

Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.

Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.

We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.

It was a step forward for this test no?

against Ireland.

We haven't played Ireland.

Read my initial post you quoted again.

And I was commenting on the bit where you refer to "this iteration".

This iteration of the Allblacks would have conceded a try or a card to Ireland in the first 4 or 5 phases of the final play of the 1/4 final against Ireland. Thats my point. They wouldnt hold out for 38 phases. They concede ground hand over fist.

But they didn't this test.

what are you talking about man?

this iternation

The Allblacks that played today, will not cope with the physicality of Ireland, in the manner they did in the RWC 1/4 final.

Read the post of the guy I quoted , then read the first 4 lines of my post quoting him.

TLDR: The physicality shown by our current crop will not be enough against the likes of Ireland, England and France, as Australia who are powder puff, still made easy meters against us.

Dude, the Wallabies didn't score beyond the 36th minute where they held the lead for about 1 minute. We scored in the 41st somewhere after the 60th. All anyone is suggesting right now is that was an improved performance from last week considering we: won the game by 20 points, the bench was better, defence was a hell of a lot better in terms of keeping out points, we scored in the second half for the first time in 5 tests. In the tests we've lost this year we really should have won at least 2 of them given the opportunities we squandered. No one is suggesting for one minute we're going up north and pump them. But to say this wasn't an improvement from last week and hopefully a solid step in the right direction is dumb. Remember, this Wallabies side beat Argentina in Argentina and that same Argentina side beat the Springboks.