@Bones Hansen was the worst Wales coach in history, 33% win percentage and only managed wins over Italy, Scotland, Tonga, Canada and Romania.
In contrast, Graham Henry finished with 60% win record with Wales. Big wins over SA, England - does 'The Great Redeemer' ring a bell?
@Hooroo No, it's called Hansen being an ultimately inadequate international coach, unable to adapt at all, and not even remotely close to the class of Henry or Smith.
Hansen did a lot for the All Black's culture and basically like John Hart; he was a good manager, but he was always lacking in the actual coaching department. He was always the weak-link among Ted and Henry. I still remember the All Black's line-out and forwards an absolute shambles during the 2008-2009 seasons. It prompted a re-shuffle of the coaching group before the 2010 season, Henry taking over the forwards and Smith moving to Defense. We had a staggeringly good run after that change.
Wayne Smith and Graham Henry were very technical and analytical coaches.
Steve Hansen was simply a good man-manager who had no idea about strategy, tactical side of the game, nor the technical side of coaching itself, an extremely average ineffective forwards coach during his time.
Without the tactical acumen and technical expertise of Henry and Smith, the All Blacks sustained dominance simply doesn't happen. And without those two, Hansen is just your average oldschool motivational-style provincial coach.
So Hansen, a one-dimensional coach, simple-mind, with no business coaching against an astute, tactically-sound rugby mind in Jones.
So, yeah, It's not that surprising the All Blacks lost.
Anyone who thinks England had 'the better players' is simply deluded.
"only Retallick and Savea would make it into a combined 8"
Yet the same England team conceded 32 points against SA.
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@Hooroo On paper, obviously not. The unsurprising part was the All Blacks getting out-coached again, which had already been common sight over the previous cycle. Since this had been a recent trend, it happening again wasn't surprising.
So the better team lost on the day. Okayyyyy
You're dreaming. England were the better team and showed it with a class performance. It's completely irrelevant if there are better players on the losing side.
That match was lost tactically and up-front and Hansen oversees the forwards, he went into it with the wrong tactical approach and played right into Eddie's hands. We got destroyed at the breakdown and the amount of collisions we were losing was unprecedented.
With a different coach we win that game.
@Hooroo On paper, obviously not. The unsurprising part was the All Blacks getting out-coached again, which had already been common sight over the previous cycle. Since this had been a recent trend, it happening again wasn't surprising.
The 2019 result was different to almost every other world cup exit because we weren't even the form team going into the tournament.
It wasn't some big surprise when England bailed us out, we had been on a rapid downward trajectory ever since Wayne Smith left.
England were not better side than All Blacks.
The difference was purely mental and tactical.
I'd go for Danny Toala, Umaga-Jensen midfield,
Goosen, Rayasi starting on the wings,
Vince Aso and Van Wyk on the bench.
@African-Monkey 2007 was less of a choke than 2019/2003/1999 because the All Blacks dominated the French. They had an overwhelming 73 per cent territorial advantage, winning 166 rucks to France's 42 and making only 73 tackles compared with France's 331. We dominated the contest yet we were not awarded a single penalty in the last 70 minutes of the game.
2019 we lost solely because of own our fault - no external factors involved.
As for 2007, there is no doubt the referee had a huge impact on that game. Let's be honest, if it was refereed fairly then we would have won (the statistics suggest comfortably). I don't believe that is biased or conjecture but rather the facts of the situation.
It was extraordinary (and unprecedented) that a team who spent three quarters of the last 50 minutes of a match defending, much of it within their own 22, could do so without being penalised even once. Not even a free kick or an advantage call. Ted's suggestion that Wayne Barnes was too inexperienced to be refereeing a match of that magnitude, and that he essentially folded under pressure, was also correct. It was clear and obvious to anyone watching the game that he was refereeing only one side, and completely ignoring material offences by the French that were occurring right in front of him.
2019 was the most shambolic in terms of coaching strategy/game-plan but least painful given we had won the last two events.
The other exits had an element of hard luck involved. In 2007 ABs weren't awarded a single penalty in 70 minutes of rugby.
A young inexperienced Barnes froze on the big stage and cost us the game.