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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    #741

    Guyton is still at the Blues, Hall isn't.

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    @Chris-B

    Possibly because Guyton was happy to stay 2nd choice?

    or

    because Hall was going to be 3rd choice and decided to move? 🤔

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    I guess none of us are privy to the discussions, but it seemed to me like Hall started last season as the Blues number one halfback, but around mid-season Guyton took that mantle off him and got the majority of the starts in the second half of the season (as a Mako$ supporter I was very happy about this).

    Hard to think that Tana wouldn't have wanted to keep Hall if he thought he was significantly better than Guyton, given that No. 2 halfback isn't an unimportant position. And Pulu wouldn't be the first halfback to move franchises for a number one slot and then bomb (e.g. Kevin Senio).

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    @Chris-B Mate, your memory is due an upgrade. Guyton only started in rounds 2, 13 and 14. Hall started in all other rounds. By the way, I checked that.

    Also, it's more likely that Hall wanted to move than that Tana wouldn't want to keep him. The announcement of Pulu's signing was made on 11 April 2016; Hall's signing with the Crusaders was announced on 9 June. I mean, why would Hall want to stay at the Blues if he has to do a step down from no. 1 halfback to number 2, while he can seriously compete for the no. 1 halfback spot at the Crusaders where he's replacing Ellis.

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    #745

    @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News: Injuries:

    > @Chris-B Mate, your memory is due an upgrade. Guyton only started in rounds 2, 13 and 14. Hall started in all other rounds. By the way, I checked that. 
    

    Fair enough - I would have checked myself, but frankly I couldn't be arsed. 🙂 My memory was that Hall had lost his place after a drubbing in South Africa and Guyton played most of the remainder. Evidently incorrect. Possibly slanted by my impression that the previous season he also started out as number one halfback but gradually got supplanted by the other Mako$ halfback, Jimmy Cowan - possibly also incorrect (I haven't checked).

    > Also, it's more likely that Hall wanted to move than that Tana wouldn't want to keep him. The announcement of Pulu's signing was made on 11 April 2016; Hall's signing with the Crusaders was announced on 9 June. I mean, why would Hall want to stay at the Blues if he has to do a step down from no. 1 halfback to number 2, while he can seriously compete for the no. 1 halfback spot at the Crusaders where he's replacing Ellis.
    

    I don't think that really follows, though. If you're the number one halfback at a franchise, why wouldn't you want to stay and fight for your spot? It's only Pulu that they've signed and - if you're correct about Hall's place in the NZ pecking order, he'd have to be roughly 6th to Pulu's roughly 5th.

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    #746

    @Chris-B.

    Fair enough - I would have checked myself, but frankly I couldn't be arsed. 🙂 My memory was that Hall had lost his place after a drubbing in South Africa and Guyton played most of the remainder. Evidently incorrect. Possibly slanted by my impression that the previous season he also started out as number one halfback but gradually got supplanted by the other Mako$ halfback, Jimmy Cowan - possibly also incorrect (I haven't checked).

    Bryn Hall didn't play the year prior (2015) as he was out pretty much all season injured. I don't think he played one minute for the Blues in 2015.

    But yes Guyton was contracted for another year (2017) and they have young Nock signed up for a while. Based on this Blues would have known this when they signed Pulu that Hall would go.

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    @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News: Injuries:

    Bryn Hall didn't play the year prior (2015) as he was out pretty much all season injured. I don't think he played one minute for the Blues in 2015.

    Well, let's hope he turns out to be fucking good at the Crusaders. A revelation who is two steps up on Drummie would be most welcome! 🙂

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    African Monkey
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    Fuck Bryn Hall and Leon Fukofuka as the 2 halfbacks to choose from would hardly inspire me with confidence (both Blues outcasts as well). Maybe Jono Hickey could join as cover for Drummond as well.

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    @African-Monkey said in Super Rugby News: Injuries:

    Fuck Bryn Hall and Leon Fukofuka as the 2 halfbacks to choose from would hardly inspire me with confidence (both Blues outcasts as well). Maybe Jono Hickey could join as cover for Drummond as well.

    They have tried to sign him before.

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    @Tim Hahaha forgot about that. Northern Districts blocked it didn't they? Fuck talk about scraping the barrel....

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    #751

    Blues re-signed for 2017 campaign: Prattley, Francis, Scrafton, Cowley-Tuioti, Mafileo, Kara Pryor

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    @KiwiMurph Source?

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    @Tim http://theblues.co.nz/six-blues-re-sign/

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    Francis has developed quite well IMO. It will be good to have him and West backing Jordie Barrett up in that 10 spot next season.

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    #755

    @pukunui Haha I wish.

    But yes I thought Francis was good value at 12 for the Blues - once he moved to 12 the balance of the Blues backs and attack improved greatly. Happy with that re-signing.

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    #756

    And he is not the standard bash and crash merchant so widely praised in a lot of areas.

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    #757

    I'm surprised he's re-signed. I just assumed he'd go back to England, probably make more money, and try and compete for an England shirt. Wouldn't they snap him up over there?

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    #758

    I suspect in a similar situation in Blues enviroments of the past he would have bailed - bit of an example of how the culture looks to have changed at the Blues.

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    #759

    Where's he gonna play in the Blues backline? SBW and Moala will be fighting it out at 12. So does Tana ruin all the time invested into Ihaia West and pick Piers at 10?

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    @Wurzel Unlikely, he'll probably be bench cover, but will start the season at 12 with SBWs injury.

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