All Blacks vs Ireland
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The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.
At times Ireland have been excellent. They were pretty good in NZ. But they need to refresh their side. And this without SH project players, Lowe, Aki and JGP should be the last of the Te Ireland whanau.
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That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
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That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
Likewise Aumua to take the ball off the bounce and shift to Jordan
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
Likewise Aumua to take the ball off the bounce and shift to Jordan
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Jordan try in the corner DMac threw the cut out pass to Sititi and the ball landed on the ground in front of him. A great piece of skill to gather it and shift it on under pressure.
Likewise Aumua to take the ball off the bounce and shift to Jordan
Outside back-esque.
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At the end of the day the NZers played well. On both sides.
The Australian, not so much.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
At the end of the day the NZers played well. On both sides.
The Australian, not so much.Thought Hansen went OK
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Some interesting little stats from Rugby Pass -
13 months ago when the teams last clashed the Irish ‘won’ 14-3 in the 20-minute period in which the All Blacks were down two players to yellow cards in Paris but they were decisively ‘beaten’ 10-25 in the hour when the contest was 15 versus 15.
Friday night was another occasion when the Irish simply couldn’t handle New Zealand when the numbers in personnel were the same. Ireland ‘won’ 10-3 the 10 minutes that Jordie Barrett spent in the sin bin following his foul play ‘hello’ to Garry Ringrose, his soon-to-be teammate at Leinster.
However, the 15 versus 15 part of the match convincingly went the way of the All Blacks on a 20-3 scoreline. That’s quite the jarring margin and a proper reflection of the gap that existed between the teams in terms of performance.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
At the end of the day the NZers played well. On both sides.
The Australian, not so much.Thought Hansen went OK
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
At the end of the day the NZers played well. On both sides.
The Australian, not so much.Thought Hansen went OK
I meant Berry.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
DMac MOTM :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
DESERVED
Laughing emoji was because of all the peeps hating him.
Didn't think he was either awesome or awful.
Will have to rewatch.
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A well put together vid with sideline ground level footage, crowd atmosphere and O'Driscoll in commentary.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Lowe 50-22 had me bricking. At that point I got out of the chair. Watched the remainder standing.
Lowe was celebrating that 50-22 as if they had just won a RWC QF.
Aki was worse for the in-goal tackle on Cane - think that was what Rieko was talking to him about at full-time.
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
That Lowe 50-22 had me bricking. At that point I got out of the chair. Watched the remainder standing.Lowe was celebrating that 50-22 as if they had just won a RWC QF.
Lowe was trying to get the crowd behind them. They had been very quiet. Nothing wrong with that.
Was a peach of a kick too.
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Scrappy game to watch not helped by Chuck Berry giving Ireland the licence at the breakdown to cause havoc.
Thought the AB's hooker & 6 were epic - made some serious post contact metres.
Ireland have been great over the last few years but didn't help themselves with their bench, I'm all for using experience but O'Mahony, Healy, Murray etc should be put out to pasture now. They have plenty of young talents in the URC - use them.
Roigard looked great off the bench. -
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.
At times Ireland have been excellent. They were pretty good in NZ. But they need to refresh their side. And this without SH project players, Lowe, Aki and JGP should be the last of the Te Ireland whanau.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.At times Ireland have been excellent. They were pretty good in NZ. But they need to refresh their side. And this without SH project players, Lowe, Aki and JGP should be the last of the Te Ireland whanau.
Couldn’t agree less.
They’ve had an epic squad and had huge results in the last 10 years. Regularly been able to replace great players with great subs.
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A win is a win is a win, they say. It’s the nature of the win says I.
OK, enough of clever dick literary stuff, but that was a really satisfying result on so many levels. We beat the Irish, the newbies showed they can mix it at this level, the tyros who debuted in the last couple of years showed they’re matured, and the discipline improved all over the park. Ireland may have been poor and rusty last nite, but I don’t think the win is as significant as the nature of the win.
The big story for me was the ability to tough out periods of pressure and for individual players to produce moments of magic at precisely the right time. The focus and discipline we had in the KO stages of RWC2023 and which has gone walkabout since was very much on display. After Jordie’s YC and VdF’s try I thought we’d go back to the dross we’ve had for much of this year. Not a bit of it. The highlight may have been Ardie winning a penalty at the breakdown with Ireland camped in our 22, but there was also Ofa winning a penalty at precisely the right time to take the lead after an extended period of Irish dominance.
The way the forwards changed tactics to negate the Irish ruck disruption was also good to see. A couple of times I saw Cane or Ardie and Sititi in deep discussion, after the Irish had won a ruck, rather than any “WTF?” rolling eyes moments. Really mature and calm attitude on display
As an aside, I don’t blame Ratima entirely for have a bit of a ‘mare - playing against that Irish pack using those tactics and with Berry reffing would have challenged anyone. He’ll learn a lot from that game as Nugget did against England in 2012.
So much to like in that performance and not getting carried away but hope we can maintain that level of focus and discipline against France. If we do that there’s a good argument that we’re developing a team that combines the best mental aspects of last year with just the right mix of experience, solid grafters and raw talent.
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@booboo That's a booboo (am I doing this right?). Anyway:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_end-of-year_rugby_union_internationals#13/14_November
@Mauss said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@booboo That's a booboo (am I doing this right?). Anyway:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_end-of-year_rugby_union_internationals#13/14_November
Not quite sure of your point/ post, but for clarity a #booboo is where some idiot makes a point (usually in response to another poster) which has just been answered with the same point immediately prior, without checking further on in the thread.
Some idiot kept on doing it. Lots. Still does...
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@Mauss said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@booboo That's a booboo (am I doing this right?). Anyway:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_end-of-year_rugby_union_internationals#13/14_November
Not quite sure of your point/ post, but for clarity a #booboo is where some idiot makes a point (usually in response to another poster) which has just been answered with the same point immediately prior, without checking further on in the thread.
Some idiot kept on doing it. Lots. Still does...
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@booboo Ha, that's good to know.
My point was that Ireland beat New Zealand in Dublin in 2021. I was being pedantic!
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A really good win for the ABs. Some of their defensive stuff – impeding Irish passing lanes, making early reads on Irish receivers in attack, even stuff like tackle height (apart from Jordie’s slip-up) – was really clever, I thought. As the game went on, the NZ forwards were really starting to physically bully their opposites, which is great to see.
As far as the Irish were concerned, I get the rustiness-argument but I’m not quite sure that explains the complete lack of urgency in the final 10 minutes. By the 77th minute, they had pretty much conceded the game and had checked out. Not great signs.
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The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
The fact is Ireland have long been put on a completely undeserved pedestal by NZ's rugby media (and many people on here) simply because they beat Foster's shambles of a team (pre-Ryan/Schmidt) in 2021 and 2022 home series.
In reality, they're not a hugely talented side, they are full of plodders that wouldn't get anywhere near an All Black 15.
They have relied on the existing cohesion of Leinster and their streamlined and well structured high performance pathways and streamlined coaching at all levels to get to where they have - not x factor players.
France, South Africa, and even England have much more talented squads on paper. and their team composition & style of game in my opinion pose a greater threat to us than Ireland (even though they're ranked No1.)
In Summary, NZ rugby fans/media gave Ireland far too much respect in recent years and Foster is much to blame.
I'm glad we can finally bring this chapter to a close - they are overrated & always have been, especially on here.
Jeez mate, show some respect. Whether other teams have better squads/depth or not, Ireland have been a fucking good team for the last 10 years and fully deserve their no.1 ranking.
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern era prevented a loss in '14.
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Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
