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    Love, Jordie and Holland.

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    Ruben Love is all class and deserves more outings.

    Fabian Holland is a keeper.

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    @Snowy said in All Blacks MOTM v France II:

    @booboo said in All Blacks MOTM v France II:

    @Windows97 said in All Blacks MOTM v France II:

    Patty T, Vaa'i and Holland. Patty for an outstanding game filling in for injury, Vaa'i for stepping up at 6 and Holland who so far seems to be stepping into test match rugby seamlessly.

    Astute selections

    Given that you chose 3 locks (sort of), and are commending the selection of 3 locks by others, I’m going to hazard a guess that you were a lock at some point?

    Only in an absolute emergency.

    I skipped numbers 4 & 5 in my descent to the real low numbers.

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    @canefan said in All Blacks v France II:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:

    @brodean said in All Blacks v France II:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:

    @brodean understand your point etc, but I doubt whether Love is even been considered starting for ABs this week, after about 4-5 games at most starting for Canes. And I a Canes man (and Love fan). I doubt any test coach in world would consider a starting 10 with so little experience.

    You're probably right about consideration from the coaches. Doesn't mean they're right.

    The guy is 24 now. He's had 5 years of Super Rugby experience and started 13 games for the Canes at 10. It's an experimental French B/C team. Beauden Barrett had already played 24 tests at 24. We're too conservative now.

    Problem is that coaches at Canes (rightly or wrongly) haven't thought Love is good enough to steer them around field at 10. Their job is to do what they think is best for Canes, and selectors have to (I think) select on a good body of work, so they have confidence they won't cock up in tests.
    I tend to agree I would like to see more of Love, but if at 10 off bench. Her starts and makes a few balls ups, imagine the melt down (and in press etc) about playing him before he ready.

    Laidlaw shat the bed by reinstating Cameron as the starter when he returned from injury. Bad for the Canes, bad for Love and his AB potential

    Speaking of body of work - there was more than enough body of work to show that Brett Cameron wasn't the answer but Laidlaw went that path anyway.

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    Taylor, Jordie, Jordan my top 3

    3 of the 4 debutants looked good. Kirifi not able to make an impact but would give him another go.

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    @No-Quarter I think in that case, Proctor was too close to JB than simply that he was skinned for pace, his opposite was standing well outside him, there was such a massive gap between Proctor and whoever was defending at wing in that play.

    That said, it a major error on his part, but you'd hope Jordie and whoever was at wing (Jordan?) should also be talking as they can see things too.

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    @yeahbutnah said in 1 second ruck - squidge:

    Again caveated by me not really knowing what I’m talking about but the offloads in that second test felt more squidge aligned than the first.

    Bit of a late (and long..) reply but I was reminded of your remark when watching the NPC.

    While there’s certainly a trend in World Rugby these past few years in terms of the attacking offload, in my own view the AB offload plan is more (1) a response to a trend that has been endemic within NZ Rugby itself, and (2) something that deeply originates from within Canterbury rugby, rather than representing an outside influence.

    I think, first of all, what Robertson wants to move away from – and which they did reasonably well against the French – is the tendency within NZ Rugby (Super, NPC, AB 7s) to throw blind, speculative offloads.

    Watching the Wellington-Canterbury game, there were two very good examples of what, I think, the AB coaches don’t want to see in terms of offloading, where the team does the hard work to create the line break, only for players to throw an offload which isn’t on, effectively wasting the possession and the line break.

    Two line breaks made inside the opposition half but zero points scored

    First, Love, after making the break from a nicely set up scrum attack, throws the blind offload to his right with the try line in his sight, which is duly intercepted by Punivai. Then, in the second half, Proctor bursts through the line off a rather chaotic but well-timed move, only for him to throw an offload from a compromised position (out of balance, falling to the ground), leading to another turnover. The timing of these turnovers is indicative as well – at the 35th and 45th minutes, respectively – which are typically momentum-shifting points in the game.

    While the mindset from Love and Proctor seems like the right one for a fluid attack – KBA, keeping the ball alive, the buzzword from a few years ago – the application, in these instances, is the wrong one. With the Canterbury players consistently trying to get into the passing lanes, the Wellington backs need to have eyes on their support and their hands free to make sure they can efficiently transfer the ball and keep the attack going. If there’s no support visible or the opposition player has you wrapped up, it’s better to take contact and attack the fractured defensive line in a new phase.

    It is this kind of wrong application that, I think, the AB coaches are trying to eradicate from their attack, as the ABs simply produced too many turnovers after line breaks in the 2024 season, which cost them a lot of points and more than a few results as well. But looking at some of the decision-making around the offload in the NPC – from All Blacks and experienced campaigners – that won’t be easy as those are some ingrained habits.

    Secondly, I believe this kind of emphasis on ‘communicative offloading’ (that’s not a real term but it makes sense to me) isn’t so much something that comes from outside but is rather a foundational premise from Robertson’s coaching background. A central principle of Canterbury and Crusaders rugby – again, mostly stemming from the mind of Wayne Smith – is to finish line breaks with a try. There was only one category that the Crusader attack was ranked first in this season in Super Rugby (Opta Stats), and that was the % of line breaks leading to a try (44.1%). Globally, this ranked only behind the Bulls from South Africa and the two current French powerhouses, Toulouse and Bordeaux Bègles.

    But that’s not the Crusaders trying to replicate French or South African trends (as I think someone like Squidge is implying); that is Crusaders’ DNA being recreated around the world (it’s not a coincidence that Ronan O’Gara started talking about KBA after coaching in Christchurch for a few years).

    But for this to work at AB-level, the speculative offload needs to be replaced by a smarter offloading game (low-risk, high-reward offloads) to visible support, which I think is what we’ve been seeing more of during the French Test series. But the real test will come against the Boks, who are masters at breaking up support play after line breaks (both legally and illegally).

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    I remember robbie stuart as a player

    grafter . . . absolutely zero flare in his game

    kinda surprised at the time that he made AB

    in retrospect tho, considering the amount of players who get AB appearances under contemporary regulations, I have no doubts of his selection being justified

    a lot more players of olden times (at least as good as Robbie) would have also made the AB list nowdays

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    @Duluth said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    I think it was the second Test when Holland dropped a few kickoffs?

    Yeah, one where he misjudged the depth of the kick, at around the 15' mark, where Attissogbe beats him to the ball in the air (but knocks on himself). And the other one was at the 2nd half restart, with the ball slipping through his fingers and eventually going into touch.

    For all three Tests, the ABs kicked off in the first half and received the kick-off in the second. Interestingly, they weren't able to secure one of those 2nd half restarts (Test 1: Ioane knock on; Test 2: Holland error; Test 3: Villière beats Tuipulotu to the ball). It was a consistent aspect of the pressure the ABs put themselves under at the beginning of the 2nd half, giving the French easy 22 access, alongside the quick impact of the French bench forwards who would come on around the same time.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:

    @MN5 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:

    @Bones said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:

    @brodean I was just surprised to see Sotutu as medium and did a brief Google, which showed him as the same height and a couple of kilos lighter. Even Flanders was the same height, but significantly lighter (although I'd be very surprised if he's still only 108kg).

    Its more down to height.

    Kieran Read and Liam Messam were about the same playing weight but 1.93cm and 1.88cm respectively which bizarrely put them as "big" and "medium" respectively

    They're the same height, David.

    Don't say sorry to me. Say sorry to Messam.

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    @Devon-Kiwi said in Stu Wilson RIP:

    @booboo said in Stu Wilson RIP:

    @sparky said in Stu Wilson RIP:

    Rest In Peace

    Some great memories there. (And some interesting bits at the end: was it Ricky Cowan with that League try?)

    Loved watching hom play
    Thanks for the memories!

    Thank @sparky

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    @Mauss

    Good post. That sort of sums up most of the potentially promising options - he has the size and tools but not the consistency.

    That seems true for the other guys in the conversation with size - basically Finau and Parker seem to be in the same boat.

    Then there are guys with consistency but they have physical limitations and we’ll continue with our imbalance.

    I’d be happy with the selectors choosing two guys who have the tools and then just giving them 20 tests to see what they can get to.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in Current depth at 10:

    There was talk of Toeava playing 10 and we ended up bringing those guys in after multiple injuries, plus using Weepu.

    Not so crazy in retrospect, Ice debued at 10 for Auckland if my memory/research is correct, scoring 2 tries!
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    so we lost Ineos and gave gained toyota and gallagher, is it basically just those two are covering what we got from Ineos or has this been a net gain?

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    @Kirwan said in Sevu Reece - in trouble again:

    Has Robertson made him captain yet?

    Insert Patrick Bateman “oooh” meme here.

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    I think they will did another third half back rather than Noah Hotham.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Italy:

    that poll is telling. We played Italy and two of the top 3 are the props and the other is our baby blindside.

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Italy:

    that poll is telling. We played Italy and two of the top 3 are the props and the other is our baby blindside.

    I get your point but conversely I'd like to think that's where we should expect our best performers to be: front row and the tight-loosie.

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    Mark Cavendish wins BBC Sport Lifetime Achievement Award.

    Fair enough. A genuine spirit cycling legend and a cool nickname. The Manx Missile.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/articles/c0475w65054o

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    @dogmeat said in Italy v All Blacks:

    Careful - I got pilloried for suggesting the great one was fucking thick.

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    Based on current evidence, stupid is as stupid does