All Blacks vs Ireland
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
Re #1 about the only thing I saw with the quick tap is that the Irish were never back 10... just doesn't seem to get called very often... ARs should be all over that...
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Watching replay and highlights etc - the way The English and Irish celebrate knock ons, penalties , free kicks etc -- literally running to flex in front of the cameras at times ..... very cringe
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I normally try to restrict my comments on refs to a single sentence or so, but Berry was not up to standard in this game. The penalty on Jordie with the high kick - he really could have called the same on almost every high kick all game if he is going to set the line there. It would be a good change for us and a bad one for SA in theory (because they've been much better than us at protecting their players) - but fuck it's hard to see how you can ref that consistently without every high kick being a penalty to the kicking team. Jordie didn't even look back, he just ran towards the ball, and if he goes sideways and hits someone then he'll get done for changing his line. So what's he meant to do, run backwards so he can see them, and actively dodge the chasers? Weird shit.
Berry let the Irish slow our ruck ball down and interfere with the halfback all first half - and even though he missed a heap he still penalised them enough that they should have been on a YC. The one where the ref said "he's trying" (to roll away) really irritated me. So what if he's fucking trying, every time there's a knock-on the guy "was trying" to catch it but you don't ignore the rules because of that do you? That's where a lot of the trouble for Ratima was coming from. The charge-down was bad, and a couple of other little errors - but where was the protection from our forwards? Credit where it is due though, we seemed to fix that in the second half.
The ruck turnover reffing was a lottery. McKenzie got hit late with no arms by JGP and nothing happened.
The Aumua not straight with no Irish competing and then what followed, jesus christ. The Irish scrum from that where the ball spat out the side - if not a penalty to us, did not come back out the channel, should have been play on. Then he free kicks them on the reset scrum, but misses that they don't get back 10 - fortunately Savea gets tackled around the neck and he gets that one - but then ignores the offside play at the next ruck - and every one he misses is a miss in the consistent offending yellow card stakes.
I thought the Jordie yellow card was wrong too - he's slightly wrong-footed and initial contact is shoulder. Penalty yes, foul play no.
Anyway, enough whinging about the ref. He was shit, got a heap of stuff wrong both ways, but I get ranty when fluffybunnies are allowed to slow down ruck ball, because fast ruck ball is what makes for good attacking rugby. On to the game:
Very glad to see McKenzie with some long clearances as per his Chiefs play. High kicks all on the money too. Mistakes, yep, but he's still the guy creating the tries and kicking the points. Someone quicker than Tupou Vaai needs to be chasing those goal kicks too, when they do hit the posts.
For all the premature hero-worship, Roigard's passing was a little less accurate than Ratima's when he came on. Rucks were a lot cleaner. His kicking game is really helpful in the latter stages and he's calm - he may well be the better player in either position, but I think I'd leave him on the bench for now, and sub early - mostly due to our previous weakness late in games.
Sititi pretty good. Savea one good turnover and solid I suppose. Cane continues to be what he is: the slow warrior.
Aumua: love to say i told you so, needed minutes. I'd keep him starting and with Taylor back with his wide running, reliable throwing and experienced head our bench gets stronger again.
Props were all good. I do wonder if De Groot might have moved us from a slightly dominant scrum up to a dominant penalty-winning scrum out there though.
All three locks good too.
Midfield defence was really good. Helped by a thousand Irish knock-ons of course, but I was impressed, and also Jordie's kick-off reception work and Rieko's hands deserve a mention.
Telea was very elusive again, a few turnovers though. Clarke solid.
Jordan the odd dumb thing but he is much more involved from fullback and at the rate he scores tries that's got to be a good thing.
Overall I thought we were the better side by more than ten points, with what wasn't a great Irish performance at all - but the constant infringing prevented us from scoring tries and no YC forthcoming for it kept the score down, along with our YC. I think turning down 3 points to keep the pressure on when the other side is on a YC warning is worth considering.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
I normally try to restrict my comments on refs to a single sentence or so, but Berry was not up to standard in this game. The penalty on Jordie with the high kick - he really could have called the same on almost every high kick all game if he is going to set the line there. It would be a good change for us and a bad one for SA in theory (because they've been much better than us at protecting their players) - but fuck it's hard to see how you can ref that consistently without every high kick being a penalty to the kicking team. Jordie didn't even look back, he just ran towards the ball, and if he goes sideways and hits someone then he'll get done for changing his line. So what's he meant to do, run backwards so he can see them, and actively dodge the chasers? Weird shit.
It was subtle but it looked to me like Hansen sought that contact too , and why wouldn't you? Easy penalty.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
I have learned to not get annoyed at yc rulings but the first penalty was garbage.
Stank of a referee predetermining pregame he was going to focus on one or two distinct aspects so forcing them instead of just reffing.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Was that our best performance with our discipline? Makes a difference when we aren’t being pinged every couple of minutes with silly penalties.
I though Barrett’s penalty and YC was pretty unlucky
Yep good but both Barrett decisions were correct.
I have learned to not get annoyed at yc rulings but the first penalty was garbage.
Stank of a referee predetermining pregame he was going to focus on one or two distinct aspects so forcing them instead of just reffing.
I felt like we adapted well to the high ball rule, better than the Irish in fact. By the end everyone was just standing still waiting for the kicks to come down, and IIRC we profited more than once as our chasers came through to contest
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
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Not relevant. Head high tackle on an attacking player 2m out. Has to be a card.
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Vaai didn’t move. You can’t be looking at the same play.
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If it was reverse crowd woujd have gone up in arms and TMO would have got involved. No question in my mind
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Giving it the big one , because you've executed a 50/22 while 10 points down tells you all you need to know about that mob.
That kick though was a thing of beauty. Jordan did nothing wrong, the idea was good but bugger me, what a response!
Oh come on, how many meek turnovers does this guy get away with under the guise of doing nothing wrong? It was a shit kick when we were hot on attack. Selfish play.
Mate, a few minutes to play, put the opposition in their own 22 for a lineout. Whatever this kid has done to your family, let it go.
They were under pressure, we were running hot, he did his usual schizo and only cared about him so did his cute, aimless dink ahead. Brainless play. Repro has it covered.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Giving it the big one , because you've executed a 50/22 while 10 points down tells you all you need to know about that mob.
That kick though was a thing of beauty. Jordan did nothing wrong, the idea was good but bugger me, what a response!
Oh come on, how many meek turnovers does this guy get away with under the guise of doing nothing wrong? It was a shit kick when we were hot on attack. Selfish play.
Mate, a few minutes to play, put the opposition in their own 22 for a lineout. Whatever this kid has done to your family, let it go.
They were under pressure, we were running hot, he did his usual schizo and only cared about him so did his cute, aimless dink ahead. Brainless play. Repro has it covered.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
Is it pedants, pedant’s ou pedants’ club? Asking for a friend.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
We lost to them in 2016 & 2018 under Hansen and only a last minute try by arguably the greatest AB team of the modern error prevented a loss in '14.
GOM.
Is it pedants, pedant’s ou pedants’ club? Asking for a friend.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
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Not relevant. Head high tackle on an attacking player 2m out. Has to be a card.
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Vaai didn’t move. You can’t be looking at the same play.
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If it was reverse crowd woujd have gone up in arms and TMO would have got involved. No question in my mind
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Couple of reffing things I noted. This is a touch one eyed, but I don't care.
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2:30. When Ardie took the quick tap and was tackled around the neck why was that not a yellow card? If Jordie getting wrong 40 out which affects nothing is a yellow card, why is a tackler getting it wrong on a guy 2 metres out from the line not a card?
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5:50, t was pre determined that we were going to block kicks from Berry. The restart where Lowe ran straight into Vaai was a lesson in milking by Lowe. There was plenty of room, Vaai didn't move and Lowe chose to run into him. His celebrating afterwards was a bit pathetic. I gave him a pass for his 50-22, but what I giveth, I can take awayth.
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0:56. Ratima spill then take the gap, Sititi was tripped in support. I firmly believe in the reverse, the TMO would have pointed it out and we would have been yellow carded. Does anybody really disagree?
- No, second man, no danger, penalty. Watch 3 secs more and see aumua do the same thing around someone's head on a clean out. Not a yellow
- No. Vaii changed his line, he ran to in front of the catcher not directly to the ball. I think he may have got away with it last week, but some new emphasis from this weekend from WR. Yes, Lowe is a fake potato fucker tool
- No, whether it was gamesmanship, probably was, they both fell over and it looked like an accident enough for him to get away with it
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Not relevant. Head high tackle on an attacking player 2m out. Has to be a card.
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Vaai didn’t move. You can’t be looking at the same play.
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If it was reverse crowd woujd have gone up in arms and TMO would have got involved. No question in my mind
I agree especially on the 3rd point, Sititi didn't look happy after and it warranted another look, even more so as he was a support player from the breakout likely to get the ball so a material impact on the game. Maybe they did check it in the background? I really don't know what the TMO looks at and doesn't look at. One thing I do know is that the local broadcaster again didn't show a single replay of the incident.
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Dunno if this has been posted...but it's pretty cool
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Dunno if this has been posted...but it's pretty cool
That annoys me. I really try to dislike BOD based on all the ‘coulda doid’ shit from 2005.
I’ve seen a few clips that paint him in a far more positive light.
Same thing happened with Austin Healy and before him there was Will Carling.
Thank god Jonny Sexton still seems like an absolute cock.
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Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games. -
Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.Easy there, you don't want this milk to sour
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Dunno if this has been posted...but it's pretty cool
That annoys me. I really try to dislike BOD based on all the ‘coulda doid’ shit from 2005.
I’ve seen a few clips that paint him in a far more positive light.
Same thing happened with Austin Healy and before him there was Will Carling.
Thank god Jonny Sexton still seems like an absolute cock.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Dunno if this has been posted...but it's pretty cool
That annoys me. I really try to dislike BOD based on all the ‘coulda doid’ shit from 2005.
I’ve seen a few clips that paint him in a far more positive light.
Same thing happened with Austin Healy and before him there was Will Carling.
Thank god Jonny Sexton still seems like an absolute cock.
BOD is a pretty good pundit too. Others try to get him to say things to start controversy but he side steps them well. We had him for the QF up here and was really respectful and gave good insight.
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Has anyone done a deep dive on Sititi's defence? He's a brilliant young player, who will be in the team for years, his running game is excellent, he's good over the ball, and he certainly has the x-factor, but how good is his tackling? Seems like an area he can improve in. I would back him to go up a level.
