All Blacks vs Ireland
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.Coaching the ABs is a results based business,
Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,
And It’s never been any different
There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.Coaching the ABs is a results based business,
Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,
And It’s never been any different
There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .
It was a long time ago, but the difference being I don't recall injury being their best selector.
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Don’t know if it’s been said but I was super impressed with the skipper Scott Barrett on a few levels
I thought his general play was exceptional and he picked off a couple of lineouts
but more importantly is growing into his captaincy making good calls when points were on offer
It was also great to see Scooter standing up for fellow player , not taking a backward step when the opposition was obviously putting in some unwanted attention -
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.Coaching the ABs is a results based business,
Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,
And It’s never been any different
There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .
It was a long time ago, but the difference being I don't recall injury being their best selector.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Shit I like this new coaching group. They seem to know what they’re doing after all.
Some of you guys should read back what you write during the games.Coaching the ABs is a results based business,
Win you will be a hero , lose you will be the opposite,
And It’s never been any different
There was similar negativity with Henry and Hansen at times and they took us through our most successful era .
It was a long time ago, but the difference being I don't recall injury being their best selector.
Yeah fair , I guess I’m just saying not everyone was onboard with their appointments
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.
How do we know until we see him play right?
Apparently Patty T is a flake who could never produce the goods in black, but of course that aged well... -
13 points is a very low total for Ireland, Ioane did really well rushing up and stopping their attack.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
13 points is a very low total for Ireland, Ioane did really well rushing up and stopping their attack.
Ioane's defence is very underrated by his detractors.
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Was a good win.
Was much happier with how we played, a lot more control, a lot more composure, the bench actually had impact and we for the first time all year got better as the game went on.
Ref didn't help the AB's by turing the ruck into a dance floor at the disco and slowed the game down horribly.
Still DMac got his goals and our kicking game was vastly improved, we showed much better mental resilence instead of falling apart and managed to force Ireland into making mistakes (instead of us making mistakes and letting the oppostion back into the game).
So yes happy with how we won, hopefully this can be the start of a trun around in the AB's mental fragility that they've dsiplayed all year.
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Has anyone done a deep dive on Sititi's defence? He's a brilliant young player, who will be in the team for years, his running game is excellent, he's good over the ball, and he certainly has the x-factor, but how good is his tackling? Seems like an area he can improve in. I would back him to go up a level.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Has anyone done a deep dive on Sititi's defence? He's a brilliant young player, who will be in the team for years, his running game is excellent, he's good over the ball, and he certainly has the x-factor, but how good is his tackling? Seems like an area he can improve in. I would back him to go up a level.
He's generally a good defender but not strong close to the line or in the narrow channels.
He's an average cleaner but a decent pilferer
For the breakdown I don't think the balance of the loose forwards is right for the game plan. Cane is a good cleaner but lacks mobility. Savea and Sititi have mobility but are average cleaners.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Bones Yeah, that was just a poor kick all round. He should have taken the ball into contact and setup another attack when we had them on the rack. The execution of the kick was poor too. Crappy play. That guy makes a lot of mistakes.
I just don't get the free pass he gets for (fairly frequent to be fair) miracle tries when he surely costs us more than 5 points a game from dismal or brainless play. On defence and attack.
I disagree that he costs more than he gives.
His attacking lines are great, he gets himself in the right place to score tries more than anybody else - and at fullback he has more scope to do that more often. Once he's in space the blinkers are on and he doesn't look for support, and he has a tendency to kick the ball away (and call for others to kick for him) - which is fucking annoying, but hopefully that improves.
To me there is a bit of a parallel to some of the McKenzie criticism. If makes a break that only he would make, then fucks it up... is that better or worse than e.g. a Harry Plummer or a Perofeta not making the break, even if they wouldn't have fucked it up if they had made it? To me it's worse, because we want to play with ambition. There's only so many chances you give of course, but if you go too conservative I think you risk discarding guys like Ma'a Nonu.
You also have to look at the competition for the 15 spot, which isn't exactly red hot.
To be fair to Plummer he needs to get picked in order to not make a break.
In general that's not a bad sentiment, but in this case if Plummer doesn't make those sorts of breaks at npc or super level, I think it is a tad optimistic to think he will at top tier test level.
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The issue we have with Sititi is he's currently learning his trade at test level at 6, when it does appear he would be better suited to 8. What I would hate to see is the coaches shifting him around positions to cater for other players or to fill gaps which he is doing right now. If we want to maximise his potential we have to let him play one position and focus on it.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
13 points is a very low total for Ireland, Ioane did really well rushing up and stopping their attack.
Ioane's defence is very underrated by his detractors.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
13 points is a very low total for Ireland, Ioane did really well rushing up and stopping their attack.
Ioane's defence is very underrated by his detractors.
Do his detractors detract him for his defence? I have only really noticed him being detracted by his detractors for his passing game.
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The issue we have with Sititi is he's currently learning his trade at test level at 6, when it does appear he would be better suited to 8. What I would hate to see is the coaches shifting him around positions to cater for other players or to fill gaps which he is doing right now. If we want to maximise his potential we have to let him play one position and focus on it.
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@Windows97 I have this terrible feeling that Blackadder will be brought straight back into the starting lineup at 6 once fit again. I believe he has started every game he's been fit for this season...
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
13 points is a very low total for Ireland, Ioane did really well rushing up and stopping their attack.
Ioane's defence is very underrated by his detractors.
Do his detractors detract him for his defence? I have only really noticed him being detracted by his detractors for his passing game.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
Do his detractors detract him for his defence?
Yep - defensive positioning apparently awful.
He's dynamite defensively
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@No-Quarter Pipe dream there mate, Robinson has his pets in Cane and Savea and everyone else will play around them until they choose to retire or get injured.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter Pipe dream there mate, Robinson has his pets in Cane and Savea and everyone else will play around them until they choose to retire or get injured.
This Robinson chap seems like an awful coach.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter Pipe dream there mate, Robinson has his pets in Cane and Savea and everyone else will play around them until they choose to retire or get injured.
This Robinson chap seems like an awful coach.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter Pipe dream there mate, Robinson has his pets in Cane and Savea and everyone else will play around them until they choose to retire or get injured.
This Robinson chap seems like an awful coach.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter Pipe dream there mate, Robinson has his pets in Cane and Savea and everyone else will play around them until they choose to retire or get injured.
This Robinson chap seems like an awful coach.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@No-Quarter Pipe dream there mate, Robinson has his pets in Cane and Savea and everyone else will play around them until they choose to retire or get injured.
This Robinson chap seems like an awful coach.
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Exactly
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The issue we have with Sititi is he's currently learning his trade at test level at 6, when it does appear he would be better suited to 8. What I would hate to see is the coaches shifting him around positions to cater for other players or to fill gaps which he is doing right now. If we want to maximise his potential we have to let him play one position and focus on it.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
The issue we have with Sititi is he's currently learning his trade at test level at 6, when it does appear he would be better suited to 8. What I would hate to see is the coaches shifting him around positions to cater for other players or to fill gaps which he is doing right now. If we want to maximise his potential we have to let him play one position and focus on it.
Agree, but at the same time I would be interested to see what he can do at 7. Reckon he has a little bit of the young Michael Jones about him in that " the 7 black shirt's there" sorta way, and he's a good size for a 7.
Cane is going and while Lakai may set the house on fire, he is untested.
If Robertson does bring Blackadder back for example, I don't think anyone would want it to be at Sititi's expense. -
@Windows97 I have this terrible feeling that Blackadder will be brought straight back into the starting lineup at 6 once fit again. I believe he has started every game he's been fit for this season...
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland:
@Windows97 I have this terrible feeling that Blackadder will be brought straight back into the starting lineup at 6 once fit again. I believe he has started every game he's been fit for this season...
The games Blackafder started were before the emergence of Sititi as the top 6 - the situation has changed
